I understand both sides and each side certainly have very valid points.  Make the policy clear, which I think it is.  Enforce with stiff penalty and people will self comply (in the bay area, people had been ticketed @ $450 per person for breaking social distance rule; verified via family friends). 

The right thing to do is for total SIP, probably up to 2.5 months.  But you can't do that, people still have basic rights and there are plenty of cases where activities should be allowed, which I completely support (i.e. solitary fishing, Eric's case is a good one).     It is true that many fishing places see a lot more people because people are not working, so that should be taken with caution as well.


So for me and my family, the goal is to isolate as much as we can and as long as possible (we practiced minimum 10 feet social distance and all the recommended hygiene and more; it gets annoying when the wife wants to wipe my keyboard and mouse with anti bacterial wipe .... while i am using it lol) and hope that they will bring a remedy soon (and it appears so, my guess is within 2-2.5 months via expeditions).

Let Liberty thrive, but let the idiots pay for their action.  May those who do their part be rewarded with safety or fish  (and yes, I understand total SIP is the right answer)

 

I understand both sides and each side certainly have very valid points.  Make the policy clear, which I think it is.  Enforce with stiff penalty and people will self comply (in the bay area, people had been ticketed @ $450 per person for breaking social distance rule; verified via family friends). 

The right thing to do is for total SIP, probably up to 2.5 months.  But you can't do that, people still have basic rights and there are plenty of cases where activities should be allowed, which I completely support (i.e. solitary fishing, Eric's case is a good one).     It is true that many fishing places see a lot more people because people are not working, so that should be taken with caution as well.


So for me and my family, the goal is to isolate as much as we can and as long as possible (we practiced minimum 10 feet social distance and all the recommended hygiene and more; it gets annoying when the wife wants to wipe my keyboard and mouse with anti bacterial wipe .... while i am using it lol) and hope that they will bring a remedy soon (and it appears so, my guess is within 2-2.5 months via expeditions).

Let Liberty thrive, but let the idiots pay for their action.  May those who do their part be rewarded with safety or fish  (and yes, I understand total SIP is the right answer)

I see what you're saying, but relying on enforcement has consequences, too. Would you like to be the officer in charge of walking up to every person at a crowded beach and checking their ID to verify their home address and confirm they haven't violated SIP orders? I know I wouldn't. If an entire beach (or sport, for that matter) is banned for a short time, enforcement will be much easier, safer, and more "hands off". A warden could simply approach someone from a distance, notify them that they are in violation, and ask that they pack up and head home.

EDIT:  Feeling like I need to clear the air for myself and others.  Thanks.

I'm taking a timeout from "Nor Cal Kayak Anglers" because fishing isn't on my priority list right now.  Helping our country survive this and keeping my family safe and sane are the only priorities right now.

I look at it this way, do what you want, but if you or someone close to you gets the virus, don't go whining about it!

It seems to me like the fear of tyranny is a little less justified at this point than the fear of an extremely contagious and rapidly spreading virus that is currently killing something like 1,000 Americans each day (and rising).  For reference, I believe the most Americans ever killed by the flu in a single day is something like 500.

We obviously have very different ideas on the ideal size and scope of government, and that's fine. For my part, I think "tyranny" is a strong word to describe a temporary closure of one recreational activity in response to a global pandemic. What you think of as tyranny, I think of as smart policy.

Those fears are not mutually exclusive. I dread that I need to go to the store today because I’m out of salt and fresh produce. The grocery store is a scary place.

I guarantee that at least some of the people here that are quick to criticize others for short fishing trips have made trips to the store to get beer and probably picked up something else to justify it. 

Just sayin'.

Quote from LolitaEric;
"This is the biggest crisis in our lifetimes.  I'm not afraid - I'm aware.  I don't need to go fishing while practically our entire civilization is trying to work together to lessen the deaths and get all of us back to normal.

You guys who think your rights are being trampled on if they close fishing are selfish."

Eric,
I am very aware of the crisis at hand, and am well aware of the intent of the Shelter-in-place order of Both the state and the county level. Fishing off the rocks 35' from my front door does nothing to imply selfishness nor unwillingness to work together. I just cant fathom how you can honestly believe that this action would imply so. 
I'm sure you have ventured outside your house even if just for a walk or bike ride.
I suppose by the same logic, we should close all walking or bike riding as it may persuade others to as you imply, to become unaware or selfish. 
Taking away the rights of everyone because of the bad acts of a few is never a good idea.
Think of this action, if too many people went to a certain mountain bike trail on a certain weekend during the SIP order is in effect, is it right to close ALL biking everywhere?
Same logic applied !

If it really were just a few bad actors I could see your point. Sadly it’s not.


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Emotions are clearly running high a lot of you guys are really over reacting to us enjoying the putdoors away from all people