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During this SIP order, is it OK to travel outside of your local area to fish?

No - we all need to do our part to flatten the curve
73 (72.3%)
Yes - until authorities make it illegal, I will do what I want to do
28 (27.7%)

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Voting closed: April 01, 2020, 02:06:51 PM

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Mark L

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I voted no, however, I am located very close to the SF Bay. Point Isabel is a 5 minute drive, Berkeley 12 minutes, Ferry Point 15 minutes, and ARW 25 minutes. I can walk to shore fish in about 15 minutes. So I really do not need to travel out of the area for decent fishing.

I went out last Sunday to Ferry Point and Caught my first halibut of the season. I launched with two other kayakers with no one else around. When I came back in the park was packed. I had a tough time keeping people away who wanted to look at my catch.

I have pretty much decided not to take the kayak out again  until this C-19 ordeal is over. I worry that I could have a mishap driving to, or while out on the water. Even something like a cut could take up hospital space if I needed stitches.

From my back window/deck I can see the bay from the Bay Bridge to the San Rafael Bridge. I guess I will just be watching others fishing for awhile, unless I decide to walk.
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Hey folks,
  I know everyone has a different perspective here and it has been great to read through all of your thoughts.  I spoke to my mother today who is a retired registered nurse and has experience in emergency medicine.  She pointed out some things I hadn't given a lot of thought.

  When thinking about making a 30 minute drive to launch at HMB or ARW, I made a point of going through the thought exercise of exactly how I would travel, not stop for bait, gas, or food, and keep many feet away from others.  I had it down, no risk whatsoever.  Seemed on the verge of being ok for me personally to think about doing that.

  Then my veteran nurse mother pointed out that it's not about what you plan for, it's what you don't.  I could get t-boned at an intersection by someone not looking, despite the low traffic.  I could have a car pop a tire or break down and need a tow.  I could spring a leak in the kayak and need coast guard to intervene.  Shoot, I could impale my thumb on a hook and need stitches.  All of these admittedly unlikely scenarios would lead to close contact with others and potentially a trip to a hospital that is stacked with people suffering from Covid-19.  A visit to the hospital would not only add to their already sizable burden, but potentially expose me to infection.

  I wanted to share her perspective not to suppose I should direct anyone else reading this.  Rather, I had gone down the path of what I would do personally, and I think her perspective made me realize that it's also about the unavoidable, unpredictable things that happen every day.

  Anyway, I appreciate all of your perspectives and I hope you and your families all stay safe.  Hopefully you still have some fish in the freezer somewhere.  (I think I have two rockfish fillets rattling around I need to go look for).

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Yakker,
If we lived our lives on “what-ifs”, then you shouldn’t be leaving your bubble EVER.  Covid19 or not.  Heck, you could still die if you stayed at home.  Burglars could come in and rob and hurt you... a tree could fall on your house... a plane could crash from the sky. 



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Yakker,
If we lived our lives on “what-ifs”, then you shouldn’t be leaving your bubble EVER.  Covid19 or not.  Heck, you could still die if you stayed at home.  Burglars could come in and rob and hurt you... a tree could fall on your house... a plane could crash from the sky. 



His point is that if you are at home and a plane crashes into your house and you need medical aid, you would go to a local hospital and not one where you expose yourself to folks outside your area and expose them to you and whatever out of area things you might be carrying.

I mean, I agree with you and I don’t have a problem with traveling to fish taking proper precautions because the string of what ifs are long and tenuous, but that’s the crux of the argument, not that you might get hurt just anywhere but that you might get hurt somewhere else and create inter community social contacts that wouldn’t have happened if you had stayed home.

Many of the people who are against any travel for recreation whatsoever are militantly so, and I might end up losing friends over this, which is kind of sad.
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Yakker,
If we lived our lives on “what-ifs”, then you shouldn’t be leaving your bubble EVER.  Covid19 or not.  Heck, you could still die if you stayed at home.  Burglars could come in and rob and hurt you... a tree could fall on your house... a plane could crash from the sky. 



His point is that if you are at home and a plane crashes into your house and you need medical aid, you would go to a local hospital and not one where you expose yourself to folks outside your area and expose them to you and whatever out of area things you might be carrying.

I mean, I agree with you and I don’t have a problem with traveling to fish taking proper precautions because the string of what ifs are long and tenuous, but that’s the crux of the argument, not that you might get hurt just anywhere but that you might get hurt somewhere else and create inter community social contacts that wouldn’t have happened if you had stayed home.

Many of the people who are against any travel for recreation whatsoever are militantly so, and I might end up losing friends over this, which is kind of sad.

I understood his point, but he was talking about a 30-minute drive to ARW or HMB, which I still consider local.  If he had said 2-3hr drive, then yes, maybe the risk assessment isn’t worth the trip to go fishing.  I still choose to fish locally when I can and I don’t share it with anyone except my absolute closest friends.  Not to be a dick and brag about my trip, but for safety in letting people know where I am, and if I don’t check in within a few hours.

I agree with you Crash.  I really didn’t want to put my opinion up, but after reading so much about the topic here, I don’t care if I’m the bad guy who voted ‘yes’ anymore and I surely will/have lost friends over this.  Everyone is in a different situation.  To tell/insinuate/influence someone they can or cannot do something (even when they are following the emergency rules and regulations set by the government) is the problem here.   Believe it or not, I have even less opportunity now to fish than when I was working full time.  24/7 daycare at home with a toddler and losing $5-7k in lost wages per month because I’m not able to work. 

If this keeps up, then I’ll give up the sport completely due to finances.
Maybe that’ll make the picketers happy.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2020, 09:22:30 PM by SimplyCook »


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Probably already in this lengthy thread somehwere, but all State Parks and Beaches In Sonoma County are closed.
The announcement says no hiking, biking, driving, kiting, surfing, boating etc on State Beaches..  it says please don't walk in. Respect the hard closure....As much as I like to flaunt authority and sneak around gates, when they do that "please" stuff I can't ignore that with a clean conscience.....https://patch.com/california/healdsburg/all-sonoma-county-parks-trails-beaches-closed-coronavirus


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Yakker,
If we lived our lives on “what-ifs”, then you shouldn’t be leaving your bubble EVER.  Covid19 or not.  Heck, you could still die if you stayed at home.  Burglars could come in and rob and hurt you... a tree could fall on your house... a plane could crash from the sky. 



His point is that if you are at home and a plane crashes into your house and you need medical aid, you would go to a local hospital and not one where you expose yourself to folks outside your area and expose them to you and whatever out of area things you might be carrying.

I mean, I agree with you and I don’t have a problem with traveling to fish taking proper precautions because the string of what ifs are long and tenuous, but that’s the crux of the argument, not that you might get hurt just anywhere but that you might get hurt somewhere else and create inter community social contacts that wouldn’t have happened if you had stayed home.

Many of the people who are against any travel for recreation whatsoever are militantly so, and I might end up losing friends over this, which is kind of sad.

I understood his point, but he was talking about a 30-minute drive to ARW or HMB, which I still consider local.  If he had said 2-3hr drive, then yes, maybe the risk assessment isn’t worth the trip to go fishing.  I still choose to fish locally when I can and I don’t share it with anyone except my absolute closest friends.  Not to be a dick and brag about my trip, but for safety in letting people know where I am, and if I don’t check in within a few hours.

I agree with you Crash.  I really didn’t want to put my opinion up, but after reading so much about the topic here, I don’t care if I’m the bad guy who voted ‘yes’ anymore and I surely will/have lost friends over this.  Everyone is in a different situation.  To tell/insinuate/influence someone they can or cannot do something (even when they are following the emergency rules and regulations set by the government) is the problem here.   Believe it or not, I have even less opportunity now to fish than when I was working full time.  24/7 daycare at home with a toddler and losing $5-7k in lost wages per month because I’m not able to work. 

If this keeps up, then I’ll give up the sport completely due to finances.
Maybe that’ll make the picketers happy.
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I think it's ok to do whatever you want as long as you are avoiding close personal contact with other people and aren't adding to the burden on medical and emergency services. The disease isn't passed by our aura or anything. One person driving to a distant location, launching their kayak, fishing, landing, and driving home without interacting with anyone else isn't going to cause any problem. But stupid people are going to stupid, and gather in groups, and forget something and have to stop at a store, and have a few too many beers and get too close, so I guess we all have to suffer. Act Utilitarianism vs Rule Utilitarianism. Too many people can't or won't act responsibly, so we have to all follow the rule.

I'm staying home, for the record. I know I'd be that stupid person.
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I think it's ok to do whatever you want as long as you are avoiding close personal contact with other people and aren't adding to the burden on medical and emergency services. The disease isn't passed by our aura or anything. One person driving to a distant location, launching their kayak, fishing, landing, and driving home without interacting with anyone else isn't going to cause any problem. But stupid people are going to stupid, and gather in groups, and forget something and have to stop at a store, and have a few too many beers and get too close, so I guess we all have to suffer. Act Utilitarianism vs Rule Utilitarianism. Too many people can't or won't act responsibly, so we have to all follow the rule.

I'm staying home, for the record. I know I'd be that stupid person.

Seems like more of a hedonism vs deontology situation but I’m a good 25 years removed from my philosophy minor and I’m sure john Stuart mill would be disappointed in me.
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Seems like more of a hedonism vs deontology situation but I’m a good 25 years removed from my philosophy minor and I’m sure john Stuart mill would be disappointed in me.

Well I'm 25 years out from an introduction to philosophy course, and while I'm well acquainted with hedonism, I have no idea what deontology means, so I'll take your word for it. I just remembered some fancy words and went for it, didn't know I would get called on my BS.


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Here's the question again:

- Is it OK to travel outside of your local area to fish?
Well maybe,  makes absolutely no difference to me.  I have a 36 gal gas tank and enough food in my house year around to last 3-4 months and I don't eat fast food. I would not need to stop for anything and I can make it to shelter cove and back. I live alone my nearest relatives are an hour away and I won't be seeing them till this is over. I'm self employed and only painting empty houses at the moment.
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ahh this horse has been whipped enough, I was not gonna post anymore till I actually went fishing again, whenever that may be


Well quit posting and get out somewhere locally. A virtual beer for the largest perch ! Bet !!

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I would bet you on largest trout, bass or crappie but nothing locally here. Surf fishing is only 12 mins out.
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Alameda county has ordered a cessation of non essential travel. I believe getting in your car to go fishing would be considered non essential. Going for a walk, hike swim etc is exercise and permitted. I recommend reading the Order from your counties Health Officer, it is not something up for interpretation and im guessing they will start fining people who don't follow the Order as they in other countries.


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Read it and weep:

For the purposes of this Order, “Essential Travel” includes travel for any of the following purposes. Individuals engaged in any Essential Travel must comply with all Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section below.
i. Any travel related to the provision of or access to Essential Activities, Essential Governmental Functions, Essential Businesses, or Minimum Basic Operations.
ii. Travel to care for elderly, minors, dependents, persons with disabilities, or other vulnerable persons.
iii. Travel to or from educational institutions for purposes of receiving materials for distance learning, for receiving meals, and any other related services.
iv. Travel to return to a place of residence from outside the jurisdiction. v. Travel required by law enforcement or court order.
vi. Travel required for non-residents to return to their place of residence outside the County. Individuals are strongly encouraged to verify that their transportation out of the County remains available and functional prior to commencing such travel.