Forums > Stand Up Paddle General

Why the sub 9' bravado

Reply
Created by bradsdubs > 9 months ago, 7 Oct 2015
bradsdubs
QLD, 161 posts
7 Oct 2015 10:55AM
Thumbs Up

It's pretty funny seeing people talk about 8'22" boards etc on the forum, hinting that it's a big deal being on an under 9' sup. It's interesting in the world of longboarding , if your board is under 9' it doesn't really rate. In log heaven, your board needs to be 9'6" or maybe 9'4" to rate or have any street cred anyway. Sups are going the otherway. Most sups are ridden by 95% of the sup fraternity like a longboard anyway, and who are an older demographic looking for renewed youth and past-times [like me]. As both a logger and a surfsuper, I find it kind of amusing, and a little embarrassing for the sport, seeing surfsupers riding sups that are clearly too short for them and wobbling around and falling in the drink the middle of a line-up of surfers...not a good look or vibe. It doesn't seem to occur with over 9' sups from what I can see. [For the record , I ride a 9'7" PSH AA ripper, and 9'6" and a 9'11 logs]
Just putting my chin out there, lads...

stehar
NSW, 557 posts
7 Oct 2015 1:52PM
Thumbs Up

I have just got an 8'8" by 28.5" sunova speeed as my second board. My first board is the laird 10'6" by 32"wide, With these two boards I can surf nearly any conditions that occur. Long slow pointbreak with the laird and faster hollower beachies with the speed.

At 65 yo, riding the speed every surf seems to finish up giving me sore knees, but by alternating surfs ( if conditions permit) , the aches and pains diminish.

It is not the length of the speed but the new narrower profile that I have needed to get used to.

With this quiver I can now get into beachbreaks that the laird would not handle ( at my ability level )

Vey happy with these two boards.

Steve

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
7 Oct 2015 1:22PM
Thumbs Up

Not only are people riding boards too short to be actually good, they usually kare in the 30 + inch wide range which makes them worse again.

If you are hell bent on reducing board size, drop some width and thickness first.

Yes yes i know thst wont be easier to paddle but the surfing performance will increase.

micksmith
VIC, 1674 posts
7 Oct 2015 3:00PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
bradsdubs said..
It's pretty funny seeing people talk about 8'22" boards etc on the forum, hinting that it's a big deal being on an under 9' sup. It's interesting in the world of longboarding , if your board is under 9' it doesn't really rate. In log heaven, your board needs to be 9'6" or maybe 9'4" to rate or have any street cred anyway. Sups are going the otherway. Most sups are ridden by 95% of the sup fraternity like a longboard anyway, and who are an older demographic looking for renewed youth and past-times [like me]. As both a logger and a surfsuper, I find it kind of amusing, and a little embarrassing for the sport, seeing surfsupers riding sups that are clearly too short for them and wobbling around and falling in the drink the middle of a line-up of surfers...not a good look or vibe. It doesn't seem to occur with over 9' sups from what I can see. [For the record , I ride a 9'7" PSH AA ripper, and 9'6" and a 9'11 logs]
Just putting my chin out there, lads...


I think you'll find that the reference of a measurement ie 8'22" is just taking the piss or humour if you like, as with a lot of written communication humour can be lost in translation. As far as riding boards to small for a persons ability or their own stature is concerned, well you don't have to worry about others really or even be embarrassed, just take a chill pill and worry about yourself.

surfinJ
663 posts
7 Oct 2015 12:47PM
Thumbs Up

11' and no excuses.

Loz79
QLD, 459 posts
7 Oct 2015 3:15PM
Thumbs Up

Whatever makes you happy and whatever style you prefer I reckon. Not everyone is 6 foot, 90 kg and wants to surf sups like longboards....I don't have a problem with boards getting too small as long as they are ridden with control. Most people start around the 10 foot and sneak down from there. I think you'll find most guys are starting to have more than 1 board now to get the most out of whatever conditions are on offer....

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2122 posts
7 Oct 2015 4:22PM
Thumbs Up

I'll rise to the bait

I am an old [53] guy trying to go short - and I love it! I love trying to turn the board and do all the stuff that the young guys do. Sure, it would be pointless to buy an 8'2 board and just go straight, but for me personally, every time I see "toes on the nose" vids, while it looks like fun, I keep think about how I would love to be on the wave cutting some turns. I may look sad in my effort to look young, but quite frankly, I would rather go out and have fun!

(And yes, there are waves that are too fat for a short board, and conditions that are too rough, and waves where you need to race across the reef so you don't become part of it - but if I can turn I will turn.)

Each to their own.

logshack
NSW, 4 posts
7 Oct 2015 4:34PM
Thumbs Up

Hi to everyone, As a part time SUPer (still surf far more than i SUP) who has been doing it since the first Hawaiians came out to the Noosa Festival many years ago i must admit that the rush to see how short we can go and how much performance can be achieved has IMO diminished the original vibe of what SUPing was in the beginning. I understand its human nature to push things to see just what is possible, and we all like to challenge ourselves.

Some times when performances are being pushed it can come across as quite agressive and i feel that SUPing was meant to be a more passive form of aquatic fun, something that should be done in harmony with the conditions of the day. As a long time Arrawarra local i see so many people riding short, wide , thick models and their not rail turning but just pivoting on top of the water and they look all frantic and like its so much hard work and its not as pleasing on the eye. I know it feels good, and everyone please ride what ever you like as its all meant to be done for fun, but don,t rush to go small.

Myself, i am 6'2"and 105 kg and have a current quiver of 6 SUPs consisting of 8.5 pocket rocket, 8.8 naish hokua, 9.0 sideways fish, 9.10 naish hokua, 10.5 drive and 12.0 starboard atlas, (thank god i dont SUP exclusivley) and if the wife said they all had to go except one i would have to keep the 9.10 Hokua, that board is the best all round board i have ever owned.

Cheers Paul

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
7 Oct 2015 3:49PM
Thumbs Up

head on the block.

since going back to surfboards im hate seeing guys wobbling their way through the line up.


I don't want them out there . it unsettling for every one else wondering what the hell is he or she going to get up to.



and the increase in guys paddling around on their knees into waves.


geez just get a decent size board that can paddle

Loz79
QLD, 459 posts
7 Oct 2015 4:18PM
Thumbs Up

I'm a big believer in standing on sups at all times, no knees or prone paddling ever for me!!...id personally like to see a competition rule come into place where no knees or prone paddling is allowed at any time during the heat......It is called Stand up Paddle boarding after all

Kami
1566 posts
7 Oct 2015 2:53PM
Thumbs Up

Big boards are not the most stabile and if people are knee paddling it's not the fault of the board

Select to expand quote
bradsdubs said..
It's pretty funny seeing people talk about 8'22" boards etc on the forum, hinting that it's a big deal being on an under 9' sup. It's interesting in the world of longboarding , if your board is under 9' it doesn't really rate. In log heaven, your board needs to be 9'6" or maybe 9'4" to rate or have any street cred anyway. Sups are going the otherway. Most sups are ridden by 95% of the sup fraternity like a longboard anyway, and who are an older demographic looking for renewed youth and past-times [like me]. As both a logger and a surfsuper, I find it kind of amusing, and a little embarrassing for the sport, seeing surfsupers riding sups that are clearly too short for them and wobbling around and falling in the drink the middle of a line-up of surfers...not a good look or vibe. It doesn't seem to occur with over 9' sups from what I can see. [For the record , I ride a 9'7" PSH AA ripper, and 9'6" and a 9'11 logs]
Just putting my chin out there, lads...


Hi bradsdubs, to add at few good responses above here and as a shortSUP fan, I remind that surfing is the challenge to prone successfully the crest of the wave in first. Paddling stand up and riding it proned back to the shore on a surfboard is the second victory in the SUP's case.
IMO, paddling on oversized board is not a good look to me as well unfair to others at the line up. I don't mind to paddle prone on small SUP

Rosscoe
VIC, 505 posts
7 Oct 2015 6:40PM
Thumbs Up

I will rise to the bait.

I totally agree that whatever you ride you should be able to control in the lineup. I also agree that if you have to knee paddle into a wave then the board is probably not right for your ability. But other than this it is about having fun. If we never tried to innovate, progress or experiment then we we would all still be riding balsa mals. SUPS are always going to have some differences from either prone surfing short boards or longboards, but if my preference is to surf a SUP that is more directed to short board style surfing what is wrong with that?

surfinJ
663 posts
7 Oct 2015 4:11PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
cantSUPenough said..


but if I can turn I will turn


These are not dishpans.




surfinJ
663 posts
7 Oct 2015 4:41PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Kami said..
Big boards ...... it's not the fault of the board....as well unfair to others at the line up


I agree Kami. This is something I definetly feel on my big board. I am extra sensitive to the surfers in the line up, prowl the edges and get the leftovers.
Surf alone if the chance is there.

When on my 8-4 I feel I fit in better and that's why there is a shortsup movement.

But it's the rider not the board that determines how we are seen in the lineup.

Piros
QLD, 6892 posts
7 Oct 2015 7:17PM
Thumbs Up

SurfinJ definitely no dishpan with that fin and hairy legs

Macaha
QLD, 21870 posts
7 Oct 2015 8:03PM
Thumbs Up

I see old guys prone surfing short shortboards "be like Kelly" it looks wrong.

I see old guys prone on longboards and they look good,I see old guys surfing 9 foot plus sup's they look good.

Time to grow up and be a man,real men ride big boards. or if your young go for it.

Bretto74
NSW, 49 posts
7 Oct 2015 9:24PM
Thumbs Up

I'm 6'2 and 105kg. My Sup addiction has seen me through at least half a dozen boards, learning experiences everyone of them and now a final quiver of just three. I've an 8'10 and 9'5 widepoint, plus the new Naish gtw 11'0. Except needing three boards for family paddle days, the 9'5 and 11'0 would have all my bases cover. Holidaying at Narrawalle river entrance was seventh heaven on the Nalu over the long weekend just gone. This misses killed it on the 9'5, and seriously won't touch any other board. Pretty sure she quadrupled her lifetime wave count with standup paddle ins...

Tractorguy
TAS, 542 posts
7 Oct 2015 9:24PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Macaha said..
I see old guys prone surfing short shortboards "be like Kelly" it looks wrong.

I see old guys prone on longboards and they look good,I see old guys surfing 9 foot plus sup's they look good.

Time to grow up and be a man,real men ride big boards. or if your young go for it.


Ha ha well said, though plenty of young dudes riding prone on boards way to small for whats on offer. But this is good for us older gents that know.

gregc
VIC, 1298 posts
7 Oct 2015 9:44PM
Thumbs Up

Im built like a brick standing 5'7 and weighing in at 105kg. Just bought myself a 7'8 HyperNut and usually I surf an 8'8 Airborn. All a bit nervous that maybe I have undergunned the volume, Im not that worried about the length of the board. I am waiting to see how the hyper surfs for me and then if all things are going well I reckon the 8'8 might be out the door. If that happens I am definitely getting myself a 10'6 (around that) board and I want it in the heaviest construction I can lay my hands on. If I go back to a mal shape I want something that has heft.


cantSUPenough
VIC, 2122 posts
8 Oct 2015 2:11AM
Thumbs Up

Nobody likes kooks in the line-up!

And maybe I need to grow up... Maybe I have to conceded that I am too old to have fun.

Nah!

Select to expand quote
Bretto74 said..
This misses killed it on the 9'5, and seriously won't touch any other board. Pretty sure she quadrupled her lifetime wave count with standup paddle ins...


And isn't that what it's all about? She was probably smiling ear to ear!



LogeiaLad
QLD, 95 posts
8 Oct 2015 6:51AM
Thumbs Up

I ride a minion because they are more fun than a "walker" for us septuagenarians.

beerssup
NSW, 513 posts
8 Oct 2015 12:07PM
Thumbs Up


What a surprise worn out longboarders whinging about peoples board lenght get a life ladies . Most surfers have quivers, these quivers are made up of DIFFERENT size boards for different conditions.

What I find funny is guys on longboards that don't move their feet and stay stuck to the back end of their boards but that's just me.

Ride what you enjoy when you want how you want cause surfing is an expression of yourself, haters gunna hate no matter what , while they hating i'm surfing.

surfershaneA
863 posts
8 Oct 2015 9:34AM
Thumbs Up

The 9' threshold in longboarding is merely a cutt-off off point for open competition. A decade or more ago, clubs all the way to the Australian Titles ran an above 8' division. How either division went has always been up to the integrity of the competitors and judges.

The serious longboard competitors in a couple of
age groups above me like Chris Jubb and Rodger Clements rode the 8' boards with as much style as they did the 9'. These guys had actually surfed through the transition period when boards became shorter. As younger guys tried to mimic progressive shortboard moves without paying homage to what would have been learnt from riding a late 1960's Tracker, the 8' division lost popularity and all but disappeared.

It sounds like similar is happening in SUP? Competitors are wanting to get radical on such small boards that it is no longer a paddlesport? The critical difference being SUP has not got that history as a reference for contemporary comp judging, or maybe even judgement?

If you are not a competitive surfer, you might as well ride whatever board you feel comfortable on? I know if I was offered an 8' 11" Vouch rolled V prone for the right price, I would not care less. that I couldn't ride it in open longboard competitons. Likewise, if I were to find a good SUP that suited my style and responded to the paddle!

JacobMatan
WA, 431 posts
8 Oct 2015 10:03AM
Thumbs Up

I am a firm believer in not taking things to the "why bother" end of the spectrum and that sups should have glide and early entry as priority but there are plenty of guys getting around und on 8 to 8'6 boards making them look good and surfing the wave well.

I think possibly the most disliked of all suppers are the guys ( young and old) on the super sized barges catching the waves from way out and mowing through the lineup with barely a hope of dodging any innocent bystanders. Sure wobbling around on a board that's too small makes you look a little stupid but when you've got a massive barge that can't fit in the curve of the wave, can't turn and is prone to nose diving if your on anything other than a super fat roller is far worse.

Of course at some stage these guys will move onto 9 and sub 9 boards and then you run back Into the wobbling around looking like a kook issue.

So I guess you just gotta do whatever floats your boat or in some cases whatever partially submerges your boat and makes your boat difficult to stand on

JacobMatan
WA, 431 posts
8 Oct 2015 10:07AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
gregc said...
Im built like a brick standing 5'7 and weighing in at 105kg. Just bought myself a 7'8 HyperNut and usually I surf an 8'8 Airborn. All a bit nervous that maybe I have undergunned the volume, Im not that worried about the length of the board. I am waiting to see how the hyper surfs for me and then if all things are going well I reckon the 8'8 might be out the door. If that happens I am definitely getting myself a 10'6 (around that) board and I want it in the heaviest construction I can lay my hands on. If I go back to a mal shape I want something that has heft.





I had a very quick paddle on a 7'8 hypernut and I am the same weight 105 kgs, it was do able not too unstable but the board was mostly submerged killing any remnant of glide that may have been there, I wouldn't have wanted to get one that size. I am a bit taller than you so at your hieght it might be better

CAUTION
WA, 1097 posts
8 Oct 2015 10:17AM
Thumbs Up

hear you jacobmatan! our local maniac at mettams scares the hell out of everyone daily on his barge ready to drop in or kick the board...

Macaha
QLD, 21870 posts
8 Oct 2015 12:22PM
Thumbs Up

I don't think there's anything wrong with SB sups, look at towny's pictures now that looks great

colas
4992 posts
8 Oct 2015 2:19PM
Thumbs Up

Macaha said..
Time to grow up and be a man,real men ride big boards. or if your young go for it.


I think you miss the point.

I may be a 55 years grommet for our elders here, but the thing with us older people is that we remember the times ( the seventies ) where boards could have glide/speed while being short. (Some prone shapers like Geoff McCoy try to keep the spirit, though)

Short SUPs seem to give me the opportunity to relive the seventies, with speed, power, and carve, (old and crusty per modern shortboarding) as burying the rail of a 7' or 8' board is much easier to control than a 9'+ board for me...

For me, I dont want to surf like slater, I could only make a pathetic parody of it. But if I could surf a tiny, tiny bit like Ben Aipa...

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
8 Oct 2015 6:33PM
Thumbs Up

Horses for coursers , ive been surfing my 14 lately and having a ball , its basically just point and shoot but a lot of fun , and i can vurtually surf waves all to myself in one of the most crowded breaks around. If you can ride a short sup and it stokes you outgo for it.great pic colas.

gregc
VIC, 1298 posts
8 Oct 2015 8:35PM
Thumbs Up

now you have me worried, hopefully I will drop down to sub 100kg in the next month and then its not an issue for me. I got to paddle around the lake (freshwater) and it floated me ok

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
8 Oct 2015 8:03PM
Thumbs Up

this is that mostly happen at where I live.

the blokes who have supping for years go about their business on one of the wider banks etc etc.


then you get new paddlers who are



A just starting and head straight to the point.

B just starting on their fancy new shorter sup and want to impress everyone and head straight to the point.


all results in


C a pain in the ass for everyone else. what are these guys thinking.


if anyone should be out at 'da point' it should be the long time crew but generally they don't.


its all good to sit back behind the pc and go I don't do that but lots of paddlers do.


no wonder sup gets a bad rap.

I mean really guys that can barely knee paddle trying to catch hollow waves breaking in ankle deep water - I shake my head in disbelieve cops and lifeguards ought to arrest them



Subscribe
Reply

Forums > Stand Up Paddle General


"Why the sub 9' bravado" started by bradsdubs