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Topic: Got Wacked, updated 1st post  (Read 11884 times)

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I have talked with Ryan about Shark Shield, a couple times. His take is the shark charges so fast, the the shield won't work.

While that might seem logical, as far as I know, there has only been one scientific study of the shark shield and it found essentially the opposite. They found that the shark shield had little or no effect in a lot of their experiments (simulating a diver in the water, for example), but the one case where it had a significant beneficial effect was when an imitation seal object was towed across the surface. IMHO, this was by far the most relevant experiment wrt attacks on kayakers. The key quote from the paper is this:

"While the number of surface interactions per tow decreased from 0.28 to 0.02 when the deterrent was turned on, the strongest effects of the deterrent was recorded for breaches, with no breach observed when the deterrent was turned on (Table 8, Figure 15)."

The researchers conjecture that since sharks expend a lot of energy breaching, they are not likely to do so when something about the target seems unusual---like the electrical pulse of the shark shield.

If you want to read it, the study is here:
http://www.sardi.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/173876/Risk_Assessment_of_the_Shark_Shield_Report_-_FINAL_19_06_2012.pdf

Figure 5 on p. 28 shows their experimental setup for towing the decoy, while Table 8 on p. 44 summarizes their results. In the experiment, they held the shark shield about 7 ft below the decoy, so this is probably a best-case scenario wrt shark shield effectiveness. In any case, it seems to me that the results are striking (bad pun intended).
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From BWE, a mathematician's take on the attack data, specifically on the paddle vs. pedal question:

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As someone with a stats background (Ph.D. in Sociology with a quantitative focus, M.A. in Demography), I would agree that there is nothing here that suggests any conclusive "statistically significant" differences by propulsion method.

The OP is correct that you would really need to know how many people are out there in these types of kayaks at risk of getting attacked to do the analysis correctly.

In fact, you would ideally need to know not only what kind of kayaks are out there in consumers' hands, but how much they use them. In other words, if you had 1000 people with Hobie mirage kayaks and 1000 people with paddle kayaks, and the mirage drive kayakers spend twice as much time on the water as people with paddle kayaks, you would expect them to experience twice as the number of shark attacks even if the rate of shark attacks was exactly the same.

I'm not so sure about that. Statistics is an exact science, but the design and interpretation of statistical tests is not.

There are a lot of factors to be considered in the latter - the importance of those depends on the strength of the effect - to give a simplistic example - if the 12 attacks had all been on Hobies, then I don't think anyone would be worrying about whether hobies spend more time on the water or what colour they were.

However, as it is, the descriptive statistics available are indeed pretty muddled (I had not seen those before, they are very informative) and thus the small sample size is a problem, as are the other, potentially confounding, factors like the number of Hobies vs paddle etc. Hopefully not a 'problem' that will be fixed anytime soon.

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crazy story. i'm still seeing it on the news. love the shot with all of the water draining out.

glad you're safe!

looks like WSs are everywhere right now

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Ryan contacted me about his ordeal Friday night. He walked me through the incident, although there's a chance there are a few inaccuracies as we didn't speak for long and he was pretty revved up. My interest was in recording the details so the community can learn from it. 

All of these great white strikes have been harrowing, but this one is scarier than most. His Outback was absolutely shredded in comparison to some of the other attacks. He's a lucky man to emerge physically unhurt. Once again, the fishing kayak was a life saver. So were having friends nearby, wearing a PFD and most especially, carrying a marine VHF to call for help. He told me they would have had to abandon his sinking kayak. 

Here's the story: http://www.kayakfishmag.com/news/vandenberg-great-white-shark-attack-details/

One of our readers pointed out that the first kayak struck was a PA14. So far as I know, it was the first hit on a fishing 'kayak' of that size. Anyone know of another?

Some observations:
1.  The 8 most recent attacks have been on kayak anglers.  This doesn't seem to reflect random probability.
2.  In none of those attacks did the shark go after the kayaker even when they were knocked out of the kayak.  Does this mean after the shark sensed that the object of its initial attack was not desirable food, it also sensed that the kayaker wasn't either?
3.  It would be interesting to know what the kayakers were wearing.  It seems that to sharks which only see light/dark contrast a human in a dark wetsuit would appear more like normal prey than one in a light colored drysuit. 


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I'm glad it worked out and no one was hurt!

Anytime you fish in the ocean from a kayak you're never sure if you're the fisherman or the bait. Just the way it is.

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Did you get a new Hobie?  This the paper work I got when I got my replacement...

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=39661.msg429578#msg429578
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Another one got wacked this weekend but she was a lot better looking that all our mugs.  :smt007  Glad she made it out safe.
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Great... now i'm not gonna feel safe in the AI anymore!  :smt010
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Great... now i'm not gonna feel safe in the AI anymore!  :smt010

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Whoa I hadn't heard about that one yet...it's like the sharks are playing mythbusters this season.
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Another one got wacked this weekend but she was a lot better looking that all our mugs.  :smt007  Glad she made it out safe.

Looks like she wacked backed with paddle!