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Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« on: September 08, 2014, 10:09:38 AM »
Can anyone walk through printing or saving full size outline and profile templates from AKU?  I want to take the file to Kinkos and have it printed on one big sheet.  Thanks
« Last Edit: September 08, 2014, 10:13:56 AM by jradtke »

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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 11:37:26 AM »
Even though I use Shape3d to design boards, if I'm shaping it by hand myself, I redraw the outline of the board in AutoCAD. I don't import the Shape3D file to AutoCAD, I just transfer all the dimensions. I can do it pretty fast. From AutoCAD I can plot/print a full size template on my own plotter. I could plot/print to a 36" x 108" PDF and then sent it to print shop. You can do a print screen on your computer to capture your shape from AKU. If AKU has a screen where it shows the dimensions, you could transfer those measurements directly to some Masonite sheets and cut your templates. I've done it that way before.
I import pictures of boards I like into AutoCAD then trace them. I overlay them with other boards and think about the likes and dislikes. Once a final shape forms in my head, I'll either draw it in Shape3D and give the file to someone who wanted me to shape it for them, or just plot it from AutoCAD for myself. I plot/print the rocker as well. 
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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 12:12:34 PM »
Thanks but I'm not familiar with AutoCAD.  Does anyone know specifically how to save an AKU .BRD file so I can take it to Kinkos to be printed in full size. 

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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 12:36:19 PM »
Kinkos would have to have a full version AKU software in order to print. You could use 'print screen' or a screen capture program like 'Print Key 2000' and save it as a .jpg or ? Then let Kinkos scale it for you. 
Here is a sample screen capture of a board I'm playing with. I imagine Kinkos could re-size or scale it to full size. Ask them what file format works the best for them to do that. When you launch 'Print Key', it takes a snap shot of everything on your computer screen. It has a capture button that works like a photo crop. Once you crop the area (just the board) then you click Save Image As from the File drop down menu. There are a number of file types you can save it as.

« Last Edit: September 08, 2014, 12:44:51 PM by TallDude »
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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 08:02:59 PM »
I know this is not the answer you are looking for.  But, since the template would eventually need to get transferred to Masonite, the full size print is not important.  Here is a low tech but systematic approach.

http://www.greenlightsurfsupply.com/templates.aspx

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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2014, 08:27:08 PM »
That's going to be a very basic approach. I don't think it's that hard transferring the numbers directly to the Masonite. If you add slices every 3 to 6" in AKU Shaper, you can use 'print screen to print an 8x11 copy on your printer. Then just measure out from the edge or a center line on the Masonite and mark each distance from the center, tip to tail. A framing square works great for this. I use a flexible piece of plastic to draw a curved line connecting the points. You can be very accurate with this method. 

http://www.toolbarn.com/empire-1140.html
« Last Edit: September 08, 2014, 08:28:39 PM by TallDude »
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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2014, 08:52:36 PM »
I could print a template on my plotter but I think I'd simply do it exactly as talldude just described. Old school is actually easier in this instance.
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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2014, 09:02:05 PM »
Usually after I cut the outline out of the foam, I will look at it and want to change something. So I scribe a new line and cut it. So much for the accurate template.   
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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2014, 01:10:22 PM »
I design boards in shape 3D or Solid works to work out basic outline, profile and volumes. I import photos of boards into solid works to use as reality checks against my curves.
Then I do a dxf export of outline and profile. Open them in Adobe Illusrator. There are some free online programs that work similar to Illustrator.
In Illustrator, I redraw the lines and curves again, erasing all the dxf curves, to ensure there are no line segments buried in the dxf export.
I lay up the curves for templates on the 4x8 ft masonite. This requires that I split them in half to fit. Then I send those files to a furniture maker that has CnC router and he makes my templates in 3mm masonite.  the furniture maker is a colleague of mine at work ( we both work in design/development at Sony.)  he has a shop that he runs on the side, and gives me a bro- deal.

He keeps wanting to try to CnC the entire 3d shape, but I keep telling him that thats the fun part  to do by hand.

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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2014, 10:02:15 AM »
55NSup, you are lucky to have friends like that.

You lost me between re-drawing in illustrator, and the laying up on masonite, then sending the files to the CnC.
 
In Illustrator, I redraw the lines and curves again, erasing all the dxf curves, to ensure there are no line segments buried in the dxf export.
I lay up the curves for templates on the 4x8 ft masonite. This requires that I split them in half to fit. Then I send those files to a furniture maker that has CnC router and he makes my templates in 3mm masonite. 

What file is created in illustrator? Is it still a dxf file? Is that what is sent to the CnC?

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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2014, 10:43:39 AM »
When I export the 3d files from solid works or Shape 3d, I then open those files in Illustrator. 
I have found that curves can be converted to line segments, which are not accurate.
Also, the curves are really messy, segmented and lots of control points. You can tell the math is getting corrupted. Which can cause problems in the CnC.

So I just use the imported dxf curves as guides and redraw them in illustrator.  Then I know they are clean.
At this point I have profile ( side view of rocker and deck) and outline ( top view) of entire board. This cannot be cut out of a 4x8 ft sheet of masonite.  so I create an artboard ( page size) that is 4x8 and place the template outlines on the artboard. The templates are too long, so the outline and profile curves have to be split in half lengthways to fit. I am arranging parts on the 4x8 masonite for the CnC machine.

Other way is to print out on many peices of paper,  tape together,  glue them to masonite and cut with jigsaw and then file or sand them down to line. Take a few days work. Totally do- able..I've done it back in pre CnC days,  actually pre computer days. I had bought templates for  5 m wood boat..that took 500 hrs to build...

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2014, 02:38:31 PM »
Just to clarify.  After I redraw everything in illustrator I export in dxf to CnC guy. Drawing curves in illustrator in 2d and exporting to 2d  dxf ensures a clean file.

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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2014, 05:51:07 PM »
Thanks!

My kids are proficient with illustrator but too impatient to teach me. I've watched them free-hand something, then scan, then open it up in illustrator. Then they trace over it like you do (for clarity - in another layer) and save that as their digital version of the artwork.

I didn't know that illustrator could output in a file format that could be read by a 2D CnC machine. That is awesome to know.

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Re: Priniting Full Size Template from AKU
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2014, 05:44:08 AM »
What I'm doing in illustrator is very simple. You could do an online tutorial and figure it out.

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2014, 01:09:38 PM »
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