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Topic: Trident 13 fish finder  (Read 4948 times)

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Greetings all,
Hey I just got a new trident 13 a couple weeks ago and absolutely love it I rented several and this one just feels right.
I'm going to mod it a bit and wanted some input.
That flush mounted compass seems to be real nice but am wondering if it is still nice with out any light wiring. I'd rather not wire it.
Also I'm wanting to install a HB ff on it.
I've read the 688 is the one to get but to be honest I'm confused. There are actually several different models on eBay.
Do they all come with the scupper mount transducer?
What does ci and di mean?
I've also seen a 788 is this better?
Will it fit?
I'd kinda like to get the nicest one.
I can afford these mods but barely so if I get something that ain't right or is going to be outdated (meaning I shoulda got a different one) I'm gonna have some serious explaining to do with the wife unit... and let's just say I'd rather not go there.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
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If you decide to look at a lowrance unit, please feel free to ask any questions you might have.

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Richie panel mount compasses are nice units. I would only wire one if I was planning on going out at night. I usually cover the ports on the back with liquid electrical tape.
As far as a FF, I've only installed one on a T13 and it was a lowrance elite 4. I did use the lowrances scupper mount and it sat up in there nice and flush.


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688 ci HD combo is basically a regular FF and will use the plastic scupper hole trans

688 ci HD DI combo = down imaging and scupper trans wont work

688 ci HD XD combo = extra depth to 3000 ft, scupper trans wont work

If dont need 3000 depth or down imaging the 688 ci HD Combo works and the scupper trans ducer will work.

Call HB cust service and get there catelog.Free  It is the best chart in back to compare and you will still end up calling cust service to be sure?
Its really deciding around the diffrent options available. What do you honestly use when fishing. Lots of reading to do.

Note check out www.futureprotour.net They put on classes on how to use and they are great

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I can attest that the Humminbird (HB) info above is accurate.  I installed the 688 ci HD and used the scupper mounted transducer in my T13 - which you need to order separately.  HB also didn't give me any discount or return for the transducer that comes with the 688, so don't waste your time trying.

I've been happy with the 688 ci HD, has worked very well.  I'm primarily in salt, so not much to be gained from down and side imaging anyway.

If you search the forum you will find some very specific information about how to mount with pictures.
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I suggest you look into other FF like Lowrance and Raymarine.  Don't limit yourself to Humminbird. 
You can install the transducer inside the hull.  I have found the water bath method works the best.
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For whatever reason Humminbird made the through hull transducer so it is not able to provide dual scan with any of the Humminbird finders. Humminbird and Ocean Kayak pretty much shot themselves in the foot. There is no real advantage to going with a Humminbird finder with the OK kayaks with the special scupper. Another problem with the Ocean Kayak approach is that if you use the scupper mount transducer you need to also make a good size hole to run the cable inside the hull of the kayak. Overall I believe it is better to mount the transducer inside the hull of the boat where it can get power from the bow mounted battery  (one place where the people at OK got it right).

The simplest mounting of the in hull transducer is to use a marine grade sealant and lots of it so there are no air pockets between the transducer and the hull of the boat. Lots of posts on how people have mounted transducers inside the hull of their boats.

There are also 50/200 and 83/200 transducer models and finders and you will want to decide which is better for where you plan to fish most of the time.


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That's weird. Because the 4 or 5 Humminbird scupper transducers I installed were able to operate on both frequencies: 83 & 200kHz. I am referring to the XTH-9-20 plastic model.
"The XTH 9 20 P is for single-, or dual-beam use with 20-, and 60-degree beam angles and operating frequencies of 200 kHz and 83 kHz."


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For whatever reason Humminbird made the through hull transducer so it is not able to provide dual scan with any of the Humminbird finders. Humminbird and Ocean Kayak pretty much shot themselves in the foot. There is no real advantage to going with a Humminbird finder with the OK kayaks with the special scupper. Another problem with the Ocean Kayak approach is that if you use the scupper mount transducer you need to also make a good size hole to run the cable inside the hull of the kayak. Overall I believe it is better to mount the transducer inside the hull of the boat where it can get power from the bow mounted battery  (one place where the people at OK got it right).

The simplest mounting of the in hull transducer is to use a marine grade sealant and lots of it so there are no air pockets between the transducer and the hull of the boat. Lots of posts on how people have mounted transducers inside the hull of their boats.

There are also 50/200 and 83/200 transducer models and finders and you will want to decide which is better for where you plan to fish most of the time.

I have installed 2 of the XTH 9 20 P transducers, 1 in a Trident 13, and another in a Prowler 13, and both worked with dual beam fish finders. If yours is not working, make sure you have a dual beam capable fish finder. There are many advantages to using a scupper transducer: 1) temperature sensor works, 2) never worry about air bubbles in your adhesive messing up the return. If you run the transducer cable through a cable clam, the seal is watertight, and looks very clean.

If you do a quick search, you will find many instances of marine grade sealant peeling off the HDPE hull when it gets hot. It does not matter how much you use, there will ALWAYS be trapped air bubbles. Try it for yourself. Squeeze a layer of clear sealant onto a piece of clear plastic, and wait for it to dry. No matter how careful you are, you will see air bubbles.



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My guess is he means side scan not dual beam.


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For whatever reason Humminbird made the through hull transducer so it is not able to provide dual scan with any of the Humminbird finders. Humminbird and Ocean Kayak pretty much shot themselves in the foot. There is no real advantage to going with a Humminbird finder with the OK kayaks with the special scupper. Another problem with the Ocean Kayak approach is that if you use the scupper mount transducer you need to also make a good size hole to run the cable inside the hull of the kayak. Overall I believe it is better to mount the transducer inside the hull of the boat where it can get power from the bow mounted battery  (one place where the people at OK got it right).

The simplest mounting of the in hull transducer is to use a marine grade sealant and lots of it so there are no air pockets between the transducer and the hull of the boat. Lots of posts on how people have mounted transducers inside the hull of their boats.

There are also 50/200 and 83/200 transducer models and finders and you will want to decide which is better for where you plan to fish most of the time.

I have installed 2 of the XTH 9 20 P transducers, 1 in a Trident 13, and another in a Prowler 13, and both worked with dual beam fish finders. If yours is not working, make sure you have a dual beam capable fish finder. There are many advantages to using a scupper transducer: 1) temperature sensor works, 2) never worry about air bubbles in your adhesive messing up the return. If you run the transducer cable through a cable clam, the seal is watertight, and looks very clean.

If you do a quick search, you will find many instances of marine grade sealant peeling off the HDPE hull when it gets hot. It does not matter how much you use, there will ALWAYS be trapped air bubbles. Try it for yourself. Squeeze a layer of clear sealant onto a piece of clear plastic, and wait for it to dry. No matter how careful you are, you will see air bubbles.

Pretty much the truth.  I'm a fan of a waterbath method or the new Hobie/Lowrance transducer mount plates.


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Another problem with the Ocean Kayak approach is that if you use the scupper mount transducer you need to also make a good size hole to run the cable inside the hull of the kayak.

My Ocean Kayak Trident has a manufacturer's hole and a cover to run the wires to the inside of the kayak right next to the scupper mount transducer.
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Most FF or FF/GPS units will require at least 1 - 1" hole regardless of scupper mount, water bath, arm mount, or goop shoot-thru transducer mounting options since most keep their battery inside the hull.  I have fallen in love with the Hobie wire plug/cap thingies.  HIGHLY recommended! 


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I use the scupper hole transducer keep my battery and extra cable in my sonar shield and have my ff on a ram mount on rod pod lid. Zero holes. I don't find my center of gravity to be badly affected the ff is nearly between my legs which would be bad safety wise. except that the ram mount will "lay over". This arrangement does require that I use a screw driver to disconnect cables at the head and remove the mount above the ball before I car top my kayak, but that's not a very big deal. Just throw it in a bucket or dry bag for the ride home, plus it keeps me rinsing the salt off the unit which I might not always otherwise. I am envious of the beautiful clean installs some people have. But, no additional holes, fully functional ff, nothing in my hull, not a lot of downside to me.
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There are, by all means, viable ways of mounting a unit w/o holes.  Lowrance makes a portable bag that houses up to a 5" unit & has a self-contained battery pack & tackle trays.

Then there is the new Wilderness Systems 115x with Lowrance insired removeable center box that allows for the whole FF, battery & transducer to be removed as a 'box' thru the center of the yak.  This new yak is on my wish list right now.


 

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