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Topic: Two handed fly rods for surf fishing  (Read 4966 times)

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This isn't kayak-related, per se, but I've seen quite a few posts from folks who fish from the beach, so here goes ...

I mostly fly fish in freshwater these days, but when I fish the beach I've been using a steelhead spinning rod and a Carolina rig.  This way I can switch between gulp sandworms, flies and perch grubs just by switching out the leader.

A few years ago I experimented with fly fishing the surf, but kind of gave up on the idea after a while.  Now I'm starting to think about two-handed rods : I have a Ross 11'3" 6wt switch rod (probably more like an 8wt in single handed ratings as I understand it).  It seems like it will throw sinking line out there without as much stress on my joints as double-hauling an 8wt 9' single-handed rod with shooting heads and such.  Seems to do well with a 6wt Rio Outbound Short/S6 (240 grains) if I'm doing a two-handed overhead cast.  I think the rod itself is rated for much higher grain weight (330-360), but probably more for spey-style casts (not sure that would really work in the surf conditions we commonly encounter in central / northern CA.  Or more likely I just have no clue what I am doing ...)

Anyway, has anyone used the Beulah Surf or Echo Boost Beach two-handed rods for this kind of thing ?  I have a bunch of hardware in my spine, so I'm wary of buying too much rod...


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I had a co-worker once who fished those Spey-types
I think he fished more for the challenge
Maybe that’s what we’re after sometime though

Plenny room on most beaches to try
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I don't know anything about the Echo Boost Beach but I had an Echo Boost Salt single-handed 6wt for a while.  They're very fast (read: stiff) rods, and it was too much for my shoulder.  Great rod, 'though.


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All the guys I know and myself use regular one handed rods for the surf.  A 7 weight if I am surf perch fishing, but a 9 if I know stripers are in the area. 
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I decided to get myself a 7wt Echo Boost Beach rod, 12'1".  At first I tried Echo's recommendations on lines, and went with an Airflo Beach / Surf in 7wt, the fastest sinking one they had.  It worked alright at the casting pool, but the one I got seemed to have a problem with the coating.  Waiting on a replacement.

In the meantime I called up Lost Coast Outfiitters after noticing they sell an outfit based on this rod.  They feel Echo's 265 grain recommendation is way too light; instead at least a 9 or 10wt Rio Outbound Short shooting head.  I decided to try a 9wt (375 grains) and OPST Lazar running line (40#).  Wow, does that thing fly.

Still working on my timing; I'm used to single-handed trout rods with floating lines.  Will have to see if I can actually catch anything in the surf with this thing... the few times I tried a single hand rod in the surf all the double hauling got pretty exhausting.  But again, it's not like I know what I am doing.


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Like ScottV's friends I've always used a 9'0" single handed 7wt for surf fishing and never had to do a double-haul to send a fly out into the wind.  But I'm fishing for surf perch using itty-bitty flies so a long, strong cast isn't necessary.

Good luck with your new rod and let us know how it works out for you, please? 
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I changed to a 6 wt. switch rod for the surf.  Never went back to the single handler.  Your shoulder will love you. And you’ll shoot it farther with less effort.   
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Yes, I think it's debatable whether or not surf perch fishing really requires a lot of distance.  Be that as it may, I got out this morning : super foggy, high tide around 8am-sh, not much wind, surf was a bit more than I expected, but not too bad.  Typical sandy northern Monterey Bay.  Beach was practically deserted, and that was a good thing because I was getting used to the new running line, working on my line (mis)management, and so on.  It is tough to work on all that and also pay attention to not snagging dogs or runners with my back cast :)

I like how the rod casts with the 9wt head.  I think it does pretty well with my usual perch flies, which have bead chain eyes, or small brass eyes for a bit more weight.  I think the rod loaded well with slightly heavier flies, so I might try the shop's recommendation of a 10wt head later.

The old-timers I talked to a few years ago mentioned the importance of staying in contact with the fly.  I found that difficult until I started tucking the rod under my arm immediately after completing the cast and using both hands to strip in line.   That technique made it easier to detect strikes.

I think the snap swivels I typically use for surf fishing with a spinning rod are a little fragile for fly fishing.  Have to either use a heavier duty snap or actually start tying knots in my leader to attach the fly :)  Lost a couple flies that way, but I can tie more.


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And it all comes together.  For the snap swivels I'd go for Duo-lock snaps or the cross-lok snaps and quick connect clips but you need to find small enough ones that will fit the eye of the hook. If you can't find them small enough just go with the non-slip loop knot(Rapala knot).
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Thanks.  Realistically I only use a few different fly patterns, so tying knots shouldn't be such a big deal, at least in theory.  My close-up vision has really gone to hell over the last few years and I've upped most of my glasses to progressives.  Except of course for my surf fishing glasses ... photochromic, old prescription, and actually made of glass, by an optometrist who closed up shop ten or fifteen years ago.  I need to just bite the bullet, find a new source and get new lenses for those puppies.

In the meantime, I ran across these new Rio Fly-Clips.  I actually ordered a ten-pack in size 3 a while back and entirely forgot about them until just now, but I think they might work, just playing around with them.

Now that I've uh, stumbled upon a two handed overhead casting technique that works for me, I tried out my old 6wt switch rod with a 330 grain 8wt sinking head and the new running line in the casting pool.  Whoa, that thing flies pretty good.  I guess the magic is in the magician, and not the wand, or however the old saying goes.  And since it's a switch rod I can also cast it single-handed if for some reason I want to do that too.

Starting to really feel psyched about fly fishing the surf again :)


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All I can say or should say is that all of us are waiting for some more pictures?
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Starting to really feel psyched about fly fishing the surf again :)

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A few pics from Sunday morning.  No marine layer, so the window was a bit short. 





I think high tide was 6:30am-ish.  I was gone by 8:30.


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Nice perch!!! On the fly rod too. Awesome!


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Glad to hear a double-hand rod has worked for you.  I can heat up my shoulder these days making too many casts into the wind, too.  There's hope for me...

But the important question is: what are these magical flies you're using to nab perch?   :smt002