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DavidMel

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...are you too old and senile.  You should be pissed off at your self for being so dumb and being "brain washed" by the oil and coal industry.

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Damn, how is this even still a debate, especially in the fishing community!

It's still a debate because Global Warming is not sound science. 
1. It is not elegant
2. It contains several arbitrary, adjustable elements
3. It neither agrees with or explains all existing observations
4. It fails to make detailed predictions about future observations that could disprove Global Warming if the current predictions are not borne out

I spent a large part of my working career as a Hydrographer. 
I specifically worked developing models for the measurement and description of the physical features of oceans, seas, coastal areas, lakes and rivers, as well as with the prediction of their change over time.

Science isn't about passion, which, unfortunately, is exactly what young people are being brain washed into thinking is truth.  It is about the intellectual and practical study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
I'd enjoy discussing model-dependent realism with anyone familiar with the concept.
Model-dependent realism is a view of scientific inquiry that focuses on the role of scientific models of phenomena. 
Many scientists do assume that the physical models which they work with represent the actual underlying physical reality of how nature operates. The problem, of course, is that scientists of the past have also believed this about their own theories and in almost every case their models have been shown by later research to have been incomplete.

But hey!  I'm just old, senile, dumb AND brain washed so don't take my word for it.  Steven Hawking can better explain model dependent realism in his book 'The Grand Design'. 
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    Model-dependent realism is based on the idea that our brains interpret the input from our sensory organs by making a model of the world. When such a model is successful at explaining events, we tend to attribute to it, and to the elements and concepts that constitute it, the quality of reality or absolute truth.
According to model-dependent realism, it is pointless to ask whether a model is real, only whether it agrees with observation. If there are two models that both agree with observation ... then one cannot say that one is more real than another. One can use whichever model is more convenient in the situation under consideration.

Whether it's true or not true are we really willing to take the chance the scientists got it right this time?  Maybe if you don't have grandkids...
We have to ask what the solution is. Outlawing incandescent light bulbs delays the temperature rise by only minutes and is not really helpful. To really accomplish the prevention of global warming we pretty much need to eliminate the use of fossil fuels. Are you really willing to do that to the people of the world? Many global warming alarmists think the worlds population needs to be drastically reduced. Who do we eliminate, maybe those grandkids you’re talking about? There is a large anti technology, anti industrial religious fervor behind this movement. Is returning to a lifestyle of the 1700’s a good solution? That is the direction most alarmists want to go. Some people believe in a creative solution that involves inventing new technologies that will reduce the production of greenhouse gasses. Look deeper, past the headlines to see what it really is that is being offered as a solution and will it really help and at what physical and economic cost.

and why do we think that as individuals living in America that our choices will have an ounce of impact on the world if this is a real threat?  Switching to solar, led, not using aerosols, and all the other global warming/climate change flavor of the day science may or may not add another two seconds of time if any of this science is real.  My reason for such a dismal outlook is to take a look at the other manufacturing companies throughout the world that are polluting the worlds air and oceans.  We are force fed so much from politics and industry that it comes down to making your own personal choices on living your life your way and hopefully leaving behind a legacy that is positive for the people you care about.  If this is all real and not hype/scare tactics for profit, the world will be fine for at least another 1000 years or so.  I think the great grand kids will be fine and the science will be improved 100 years from now.  Short version....just keep fishing and live your life without stressing over stuff you can't control, and fix the stuff that you can in your life.
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Back to my original rant; the way media, teachers and politicians are all terrorizing kids these days into thinking they are not going to have a habitable world in a mere 20 years from now and the protests they are brain washed into participating in.  It is a lie and there's an agenda behind the scenes why it's allowed to be taking place.  The next generation is being trained to be angry with the current generation.  Why is that? 
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Back to my original rant; the way media, teachers and politicians are all terrorizing kids these days into thinking they are not going to have a habitable world in a mere 20 years from now and the protests they are brain washed into participating in.  It is a lie and there's an agenda behind the scenes why it's allowed to be taking place.  The next generation is being trained to be angry with the current generation.  Why is that?

Its the evolution of the "trophy and juice box for everyone regardless of result" mentality.  Welcome to what should be called Gen E (E for Entitled).  Kids have been taught that they are not responsible for poor behavior and to blame others and demand more from the people around them.  Personal responsibility is a thing of the past and there are plenty of parents that follow this dogma and pass it down to their kids.
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WASHINGTON — A major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest shrinking ice and snow masses on Earth is growing again, a new NASA study finds.

The Jakobshavn glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles and thinning nearly 130 feet annually. But it started growing again at about the same rate in the past two years, according to a study in Monday’s Nature Geoscience.

“That was kind of a surprise. We kind of got used to a runaway system,” said Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland ice and climate scientist Jason Box.

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/amp/ncna987116


If the experts truly understood climate as they claim, why do I see so many articles where they are surprised by something they didn’t expect? If they knew what they were talking about, shouldn’t they have been predicting that the glacier would start growing again?
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You are asking too much of science to be able to forecast all details involved in climate change. There are multitudes of  factors involving weather and climate change. Just because some seem contradictory to the climate scientists main thesis doesn't mean that their main assertions that the climate has warmed because of human activity is false. You can look for the climate warming data in a NASA site or department of defense, both non political entities. What warming means for the future is harder to predict but certain events will occur. Oceans will rise, water warming will effect eco systems. Check our own coast for what has happened already. More algae bloom, greater amounts of acid in the water affecting shell fish etc. Personally, I think we've passed the tipping point and will have to live with the results but slowing the process down seems to me to be a good thing.
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