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Why the zone has gone south
« on: August 19, 2018, 11:05:54 AM »
So I used to love love love the Stand Up Zone, lots of great conversations about boards, about paddling, tips and great advice, then came the jokers and folks that posted irrelevant posts just because they thought they where funny or wanted to see their post count go up or felt they had so share their own agendas or self promotion and egos. Now it’s become politics, options, and negative discussions and many zoners ..like most of america ...now easily have their feeling hurt and can’t seem to get along. It’s really too bad as I’ve made lots of friends from the Zone, some of your biggest Zoners I’ve had the pleasure of paddling with, surfed with them, hung out with their families and although sometimes we have differences of opinions, it never gets personal. I always loved the classifieds and Admin brought it back to it’s full glory. The new stuff about foils and even non paddling stuff can even be a good read (like pono’s camper overhaul), but then you read someone’s post and it goes south and you question why, what happended, who are these zoners... surly not someone I’d paddle with or even waste time trying to talk to. Sad thing is I’m not the only one with this opinion or feels this way and this awesome place is getting ruined.

I’ve made my share of posts calling people out when I’ve read dumb comments or posts and now its gone to another level as shown by a zoner using his signature as a quote from me from a long time ago when my post hurt his feelings....

I think it was my reaction when you scolded me and another forum member on my humorous post about new Infinity models and you went on a rant about ppl posting useless crap etc. And I found it funny when someone tried to be the internet police on public forums.

Kirill

Why???? Maybe times are chaging on the zone, maybe we need the admin to weed out the “junk”, hell, maybe its just me. I’m sure the Admin might pull this thread down and I mean it as nothing against the zone but rather where some of the conversations have gone and are still going... it’s too bad... used to log on and read the zone more than facebook or even the surf forecasts. I hope the zone goes back to what it was and what it can truely be, a place for paddlers to share and exchange experiences, discussions, thoughts and ideas, and wverything all around stand up.

To my zoners I call family and friends, see you at the beach, at a race, or when we get together to talk SUP, remember the stoke and good vibes and forget the downers and jokers.

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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2018, 11:25:00 AM »
if you have the admin  weed out the junk that is  censorship. As for me I always say 1 man's junk is another man's treasure.    The thing is it is an open forum say  what you will but be cosiderate don't call names,  we have spouses  girfriends boufriends and kids  to do that.   be resprctful of other opinions that don't match yours and try to stay on  course  atleast with regard to  standup.  It is a great forum.  I like it  but that is just my opinion.
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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2018, 12:56:23 PM »
I think it's just because Standup paddling is getting old and chatting is all that's left for some people. The interesting topics are all talked out and there isn't anything more to add. The fad is over. It was great when everyone was learning together but now there are a lot less people entering the sport. Board evolution has slowed to a stop. The resource of new ideas has been used up.

Foiling is the new thing but it is very limited and not many will take it up. At least nowhere near the numbers that SUP had. It certainly gets my attention though.

I hope we can keep the forum going in a positive direction. Solo Shot has really helped to make videos interesting. I would like to see more photos and videos of surfing and places. I'll try to get some surf shots next time I'm out if we ever get some waves.


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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2018, 01:17:14 PM »
I love the Zone... and, like all good love affairs, there are some bumps along the way.

Lots of us came here originally, to learn.
We were new to the sport and starved for info.... that created the "heat" that helped fuel our stoke.

We became friends and came closer together.
Awesome as that is, it may intimidate new SUPsters from joining in....much like a stranger walking into a local bar.
I know, as a newbie, I agonized over every word I typed, before I hit "POST"

Remaining open and welcoming to new members and each other, is the only way to move forward IMO

To keep things fresh and interesting, I want to see more stuff  like "How-to" videos that Robert, Clay and Beasho make.... these attracts new folks into the Zone.

There is still good content on the Zone if you look around, but it can get lost in the chat.

Forums survive on content.... words are important, but they need backup, IMO

I love seeing everyones pics and video's.... newbie or ripper
My belief is, pictures and videos give context to words and make everything more relatable.
See my reply to "Tall Dude's Daily paddle", to see what I get from peoples videos!

My video camera's failed me much of this year, but I am back up and running.
I am working on several new videos as we speak!

If you are a newbie, please post your videos and reviews..... that is exactly what other new SUPsters want to see!

Newbie's.... ask questions, lots of folks on here that would love to help you out.










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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2018, 02:48:31 PM »
Like this forum and the diversity of the ppl & posts. I think it comes down to Respect if you can and if you cant do try because that person might be ok than you think?

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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2018, 05:15:19 PM »
"...the “junk”, hell, maybe its just me..."


Derek

Yeah, I think it's just you.  I have no complaints about the Zone. 
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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2018, 05:53:35 PM »
Everything changes Derek. Zone was is and continues to be what it's users and admin want. I'm as guilty of the bickering as anyone...though no more I hope. I'm tired of it too. But if folks want to have their say on an open forum....not sure where the problem is....just words bro. The zone has changed with the sport too as Badger noted.

Creeks right about this place being what we make it. You can get angry and feed into it or ignore it and enjoy the parts of the zone you like. I'm doubling down on my love of SUP and the zone as the birthplace of the CCBC. I expect you back paddling again next year.... :)
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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2018, 05:53:47 PM »
The honeymoon is definitely over, but the relationships are still there. There are still races, and people getting into it, just not at a frenzied pace.
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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2018, 08:03:02 PM »
Yeah Bob I’ll be back for my 4th CCBC, as I love the cause, love the people, and love the challenge. Too bad many zoners don’t know me or why I’ll paddle an event like the CCBC, they’re too busy passing judgement and opinions based on politics and BS.

I’ll be the first one to agree that censorship is BS but the negativity and direct “jokes” as some zoners call it is just a load of crap and obviously personal crap the zone doesn’t need.

Yeah times change, but people stay the same, the negative and hostle kooks can do their thing and I’ll spend my time with zoners that focus on the bigger picture... enjoying sup surfing and friends and family, waves and fun.
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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2018, 09:01:10 PM »
You seem to want a whole lotta stuff that rhymes with censorship.  Just read, enjoy and stop your snifflin,,,its embarrasing.

How much can one possibly talk about water sports anyways? Sheesh

Go smoke some weed, it will help.the angst.

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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2018, 03:23:26 AM »
yeah let's "make the zone great again"  per PDLSFR's high standards with more great posts like this:

"Not 65 year olds maybe you took my post out if context with is typical for this site which I why I barely post anything anymore. I’m talking about the heroin heads and crack heads, welfare mother having baby after baby just to get a larger govt check, the people I see all the time getting “free care” because they dont have insurance or a way to pay (yet they have a fridge stocked with more food, have plenty of booze and drugs and dont forget their cigarettes), those are the people I’m talking about."

and you dont like my posts about options? or that i didnt shows pics, in the classifieds, of a board you have no interest in? or that some choose to joke around or speak of matters you dont find on point? who says you get to be the arbiter of what belongs here?

throw stones from a glass house........

now sniffle on.......



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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2018, 05:00:00 AM »
I think it's just because Standup paddling is getting old and chatting is all that's left for some people. The interesting topics are all talked out and there isn't anything more to add. The fad is over. It was great when everyone was learning together but now there are a lot less people entering the sport. Board evolution has slowed to a stop. The resource of new ideas has been used up.

Foiling is the new thing but it is very limited and not many will take it up. At least nowhere near the numbers that SUP had. It certainly gets my attention though.
Yes, I agree. There is also now completion locally from FB forums. Many areas now have FB groups where people can share views and information, and this attracts many newbies. Why speak with someone hundreds or thousands of miles away when you can contact someone just 20mins away?

The Trump thread (and the similar ones) also had a very profound effect on my own view of Zoners. I come from a country which is predominately more socially liberal, and where there is not the same level of distrust of the government, and where race relations are not as big an issue as they are in the US. There is also perhaps more religious diversity, and more personal experience amongst Christians of non-Christian religions. So the views expressed here that seemed fairly mainstream for US zoners seemed actually quite shockingly extreme from my perspective. It was a valuable education for me, but it did substantially change my attachment to the forum community.

My grandmother always used to say that they were certain topics (e.g. religion, politics, sex, money) that should always be avoided in polite conversation. She was referring to the success of conversations at dinner parties and other social gatherings. But I can see now that she would have been right for online forums too.

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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2018, 05:40:05 AM »
I think it's just because Standup paddling is getting old and chatting is all that's left for some people. The interesting topics are all talked out and there isn't anything more to add. The fad is over. It was great when everyone was learning together but now there are a lot less people entering the sport. Board evolution has slowed to a stop. The resource of new ideas has been used up.

Foiling is the new thing but it is very limited and not many will take it up. At least nowhere near the numbers that SUP had. It certainly gets my attention though.
Yes, I agree. There is also now competition locally from FB forums. Many areas now have FB groups where people can share views and information, and this attracts many newbies. Why speak with someone hundreds or thousands of miles away when you can contact someone just 20mins away?

Facebook has taken people away from traditional public forums and has driven everything underground into exclusive private groups. I guess that makes people feel cool to belong to them. I don't want anything to do with Facebook.

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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2018, 06:08:29 AM »
I think it's just because Standup paddling is getting old and chatting is all that's left for some people. The interesting topics are all talked out and there isn't anything more to add. The fad is over. It was great when everyone was learning together but now there are a lot less people entering the sport. Board evolution has slowed to a stop. The resource of new ideas has been used up.

Foiling is the new thing but it is very limited and not many will take it up. At least nowhere near the numbers that SUP had. It certainly gets my attention though.
Yes, I agree. There is also now competition locally from FB forums. Many areas now have FB groups where people can share views and information, and this attracts many newbies. Why speak with someone hundreds or thousands of miles away when you can contact someone just 20mins away?

Facebook has taken people away from traditional public forums and has driven everything underground into exclusive private groups. I guess that makes people feel cool to belong to them. I don't want anything to do with Facebook.
I’m sympathetic to that view. But it does increase the likelihood of finding people who will become “real” friends as opposed to only virtual ones.

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Re: Why the zone has gone south
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2018, 06:11:50 AM »
. . . .But it does increase the likelihood of finding people who will become “real” friends as opposed to only virtual ones.

You guys realize that the end state of AI will NOT be that they exterminate us but that the AI will just make us all feel welcomed and liked by our Turing friends on line. 

 


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