Author Topic: Can the Takuma foil be pumped back out to catch the next wave like the Go Foils? (Read 10374 times)

opie · « **on:** October 13, 2017, 07:11:42 PM »

I can pump a little for help staying on a wave, but I don't get close to enough forward momentum to fly 50 feet without help from wave power. I can't find any video's of Takuma foils being pumped back out or pumped on flat water. The videos showing this are mostly Go foils, or Naish.

Eagle · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2017, 07:56:08 PM »

These are not any vids on pumping -> but the Takuma wing looks like it should fly at very low speeds. Interesting.

supuk · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2017, 11:53:17 PM »

I'm the same point as you can pump on a wave but have not managed to pump back out. getting some nice fairly tight turns now though and working on a full cutback.

opie · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2017, 06:21:21 PM »

I have given up on pumping for now. When I am losing speed I just try to turn back the other way. Often the turn gives me back enough speed to keep on foiling. I can't tell if it is because the wave was better behind me or if there is something about turning that gives more power.
If there is something about the Takuma's design that makes pumping less effective that is a shame because it would come in handy.
I need some nice four foot days. No need to worry about slowing down and coming off foil with the extra wave power. Two foot waves take more skill than I have.

norcom · « **Reply #4 on:** October 16, 2017, 08:00:14 AM »

I was also wondering if the Takuma could be pumped up from flat to foiling. But mostly if it could be done by a mere mortal and not some pro rider. I don't think I've seen any videos of a hold-my-beer kind of paddler pumping from flat to foiling on any foil model.

opie · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2017, 02:37:30 PM »

Every flat water foiling video I have seen was with the Maliko model Go Foil. I also couldn't find any Naish pumping back out videos. I was mainly wondering because I don't want to waste my foiling time learning something that's impossible on my equipment.

It could totally be just operator error. Maybe the Takuma guys have gotten better and no longer have time to make more videos because they are having too much fun.

Beasho · « **Reply #6 on:** October 16, 2017, 03:56:25 PM »

Quote from: opie on October 14, 2017, 06:21:21 PM

1) Often the turn gives me back enough speed to keep on foiling. I can't tell if it is because the wave was better behind me or if there is something about turning that gives more power.
2) I need some nice four foot days. No need to worry about slowing down and coming off foil with the extra wave power. Two foot waves take more skill than I have.

1) I noticed the extra kick that a final turn gives. No one has been able to explain why?

2) More than size I have found wave Period to be important. 11 second or more period seems to have enough juice to keep the foil flying even at small wave sizes

Dialy · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2018, 10:38:17 PM »

Here is a video of the founder of Takuma pumping the foil and Takuma board on flat water:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=776979865828814&id=547773048749498&_rdr

opie · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:32:35 PM »

I bet that's the new downwind wing. Looks fun.

PonoBill · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:41:08 AM »

Lots of folks pumping back out to get the next wave in Maui. Not me, but there are lots. From just anecdotal evidence I'd say it's more the board than the foil. Folks on a dinky six-foot board seem to pump out with ease. You might think that people good enough to use a six foot board are good enough to pump out, but I've seen prone foil surf guys in their second week of foiling able to pump out, while I'm still trying to pump across the face of a breaking wave in my nearly 20th session on my 8'5".

I also think the GoFoil arrow-style stabilizer helps pumping. I think the flat wing, reverse foil stabilizers hold the tail of the fuselage locked to a neutral position.

I have figured out that pumping is not pushing down with the front foot, it's pulling up, then pushing the nose over a virtual barrel while you lift your back leg. I got some serious speed doing that today. I also found as I mentioned elsewhere, that holding your paddle in both hands gets in the way of using your arms and keeping your shoulders squared across the board. I'm sure the better foilers would scoff, but I need my arms free to pump. I flap like a chicken, but so far that is my most powerful pump.

Beasho · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2018, 07:19:37 AM »

Quote from: PonoBill on March 16, 2018, 12:41:08 AM

Lots of folks pumping back out to get the next wave in Maui. Not me, but there are lots. From just anecdotal evidence I'd say it's more the board than the foil. Folks on a dinky six-foot board seem to pump out with ease. You might think that people good enough to use a six foot board are good enough to pump out, but I've seen prone foil surf guys in their second week of foiling able to pump out, while I'm still trying to pump across the face of a breaking wave in my nearly 20th session on my 8'5".

You are confirming my suspicion about pumping out to sea.

Pumping back out to sea takes a small board.

I have NEVER seen anyone in video or otherwise pump out to sea on a large board. It all started with KAI on his ~ 6 ft shortboard.

I can pump on to a wave, and can string along 300 yard rides on nearly every session, 400 yards when I am lucky and have a few 500+ yard rides. This requires pumping BUT I am going with the waves. I was starting to worry it was a young, or light guy thing BUT maybe not.

Here was my best attempt at pumping back out. I took off and while still HOT attempted to loop. IF the elevation data are correct it looks like I was almost going back Up-Hill (GPS could be goofy) but the moral of the story was I could not pump back out. I am on an 8' 2" X 32" L41. I have a 6' 6" on Order from Blue Planet. Hopefully some questions may be answered.

Dwight (DW) · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2018, 07:34:07 AM »

Quote from: PonoBill on March 16, 2018, 12:41:08 AM

I need my arms free to pump. I flap like a chicken, but so far that is my most powerful pump.

Me too.

I actually surf the entire wave arms out. I flow and connect turns better and see better.

PonoBill · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2018, 09:49:17 AM »

Me too. A prone foil guy tipped me to it yesterday, though I've seen good foilers do it before. I thought it was just a preference. Made a huge difference for me.

Beasho · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:44:34 AM »

Jeff Clark has been flying one hand on the paddle for the last 6 months. I thought it was a bit 'odd' but then he was making fun of me for using my paddle to pump.

opie · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2018, 03:42:31 PM »

Quote from: PonoBill on March 16, 2018, 12:41:08 AM

I also think the GoFoil arrow-style stabilizer helps pumping. I think the flat wing, reverse foil stabilizers hold the tail of the fuselage locked to a neutral position.

I never thought about the stab's role in all of this. Thant makes a lot of sense.

Quote from: PonoBill on March 16, 2018, 12:41:08 AM

I have figured out that pumping is not pushing down with the front foot, it's pulling up, then pushing the nose over a virtual barrel while you lift your back leg.

After reading this I tried it this morning. It helped.

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