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Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« on: June 20, 2017, 10:39:16 AM »
Hi there,

Since my only board is out of commission for a while,  I'm thinking to get another 14 footer and looking in at 3 boards. Not sure if you find them comparable  but they have similar size and approximately same asking price

2016 JP 14' Sportster Open Ocean, 14 by 28  carbon
2015 Starboard All Star, 14 by 28  carbon
2016 Naish Glide 14'0" x 29 GTW

I own Bark Expedition that I use in Boston harbor on calm days. I don't race. I think I would like the board would weigh less that my Bark (32+ lbs), would go better in straight and would be less affected by chop and side waves. Still I want to learn how to DW and follow small bumps across the bay.. I didn't find lot of info on Sportster or Glide,  but AllStar looks like does it all.

Any suggestions?

p.s. Are these carbon board really fragile and difficult to keep in good condition?   
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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 12:34:51 PM »
Would go Naish JP then SB for stability in waves.  The reverse for speed on flat.  Naish for durability.  Carbon is lighter and if care is taken should last just fine.  All our carbon boards look pretty much the same since day one with very minor cosmetic wear and tear.  But get the board that makes you want to paddle most.  For me stability is key -> and if not stable enough it will limit its use too much.  So really depends on if you want to supplement your Bark or replace it.  But going narrower will often give a tippier feel.  So need to consider and be ok with that.

For example - in slop and small DW a 27.25 Bullet V2 is perfect for me.  But a 28 M14 much better for bigger conditions.  Would not want to ride anything less than a full rocker M14 in big DW conditions.  Just makes handling so much easier and more fun.  So if you can do it -> would build a quiver.  ;)
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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2017, 05:41:21 PM »
The glide is heavy, slow, very stable. JP Sportster light, fast, great cruiser. The Starby I won't comment on as I try and limit my opinions to boards I have either owned or paddled.

They are popular and I hope someone who has paddled both the JP Sportster and the Starby could comment..
« Last Edit: June 20, 2017, 05:45:07 PM by mrbig »
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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2017, 07:23:28 PM »
 The glide is oh so heavy but is incredibly stable and eats up any condition thrown its way, mine was also built to last the apocalypse. A 28" all star is an interesting proposition, perhaps less of a pig than the glide but probably not as unflappable either. I've not had any durability problems with any of my carbon boards, a lot of it is probably in the way they're treated. There are probably the random carbon production boards out there with shoddy construction but that can be a problem with any material, not just carbon. Fwiw I was perfectly happy with the glide until I started racing, it doesn't meet your weight criteria though.

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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 02:49:20 PM »
wow,

Thank you so much.  Little bit surprised by replies as I was under impression that Glide would get better scores, I might scratch it off as you gave me the idea to keep Bark for learning downwind and get something more dedicated to flatter conditions and better tolerating chop (piercing bow?)  Def want to have a board that lighter than bark

14' speedboardusa just popped on my CL's radar, I assume it's 27" board. Would it be a good contender for my frame (around 6' and still 210 lbs  ::) )   or I'm dreaming?
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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 10:27:56 AM »
"Not only did this board carry me along our coastline for the Standup4Greatbear Expedition but Bodie Shandro and i paddled it across the Molokai this past July. Although there are better boards out there to race Molokai with it was another example of the incredible versatility of this board. We crossed the channel on this board in 5hr 49 minutes."

I have seen Norm only for a very short time ie. less than a minute - as he planed away from the boat launch on his old white and yellow Expedition on a DW run a while back.  That board actually is quite ok for DW for an early design and shape.  So keeping that to learn DW should work.  Norm told me he really liked his Expedition and Molokai was fine.

If you want something to slice on flatter conditions -> a Dominator or something similar works fine and is quite silent if wanting to stay with the Bark brand.  But other options are available as well.  Lots of good boards and a lot of choices.

https://normhann.com/2010/10/the-14-surftech-joe-bark-expedition-board-review/
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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 12:14:51 PM »
wow,

Thank you so much.  Little bit surprised by replies as I was under impression that Glide would get better scores, I might scratch it off as you gave me the idea to keep Bark for learning downwind and get something more dedicated to flatter conditions and better tolerating chop (piercing bow?)  Def want to have a board that lighter than bark

14' speedboardusa just popped on my CL's radar, I assume it's 27" board. Would it be a good contender for my frame (around 6' and still 210 lbs  ::) )   or I'm dreaming?

  You sort of have to just pick a board and start paddling it. Anything over 27" wide is going to be stable and handle some chop. The all star is probably safest bet, it's the most well known board and easier to flip generally. The glide is a great board, it's just big and heavy. A 28" Maliko is probably the answer to that but they're also expensive.

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 01:06:17 PM »
Stay Away from the Naish Glide, mine was heavy over 35 pounds, not as stable as your other board options, and high risk for deck delamination with no support from Naish except a discount on a replacement board.

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2017, 08:44:41 AM »
Stay Away from the Naish Glide, mine was heavy over 35 pounds, not as stable as your other board options, and high risk for deck delamination with no support from Naish except a discount on a replacement board.

The JP Sportster and 2015 14 x 28 Starboard Allstar are definitely not more stable the 29.2" wide Glide. No way. Especially in rough conditions. Starboard increased the stability for the Allstar in the 2016 model and the 28" wide 2015 is actually pretty good for stability in moderate chop, but simply doesn't measure up to the Glide in heavier conditions. The Glide excels in rough conditions.

The GTW Glide the OP is referencing is also a few pounds lighter than the stock Glide. While 31 or 32 pounds is  definitely not light, it is an improvement over the 35 pound stock weight. I have owned my Glide for around 2 years now and have put thousands of miles on it, with no delimitation issues. I store it outside more than I should and I'm very hard on my gear which is why I chose a PVC layup for my newest board.. I think you are certainly in the minority with delimitation issues on the Glide.

The Glide is a better all around board than the Expedition imo. It does better upwind in the chop, and matches and exceeds the the Expedition DW and in rough conditions imo. More stable overall. Naish did an excellent job with the shape of the Glide for the redesign in these years. I can't speak for the latest design. If you are looking for better flat water speed, and a board that does fairly well in the chop, the 2015 Alltar 14 x 28 is a good choice, and it's lighter than the Glide. It would be my pick of the three if thats what you want. If you want a work horse that does excellent in rough conditions, and it is a pretty decent all arounder for what it is, then the Glide. The shape has definitely stood the test of time, and many paddlers wanted Naish to release this version in a narrower width. The GTW is a very nice board and is a bit lighter than the stock Glide. I use my Glide for overnight expeditions and for all types of paddling. I love it, and if I went back, I would still pick it over boards like the 2015 Allstar and the JP Sportster. It is a very forgiving shape.

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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2017, 10:33:05 AM »
Sounds like PDLSRF had a bad experience, but for the most part Glides are durable.
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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 12:30:57 PM »
  I put mine nearly through my garage door. Didn't leave a mark on it. 

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Re: Trying to compare few used boards: your input is welcome
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 12:53:27 PM »
My Glide was shipped across the country from California to Idaho and arrived with a few soft spots on the rails, which I didn't really notice until after I had in the water a few times. It was hard to tell if it was shipping damage or a factory problem, but there was boot prints all over the shipping box, so the shippers didn't handle it with any sort of care. Naish agreed to pay to fix the soft spots even though I had the board out on the water after I unpackaged it. Thought that was pretty cool of them. Not sure how they would have handled a delam problem on a newish board?

The rails on my AST Starboard Touring and AST Starby Race did seem to be a little bit tougher than the rails on my Glide. I remember tripping and dropping my Touring on a rounded parking block and the only damage was a small spider crack in the paint, with no resulting soft spot. A 12'6" that weighs 34 pounds better be durable and the rails definitely were on my AST boards from Starboard. My Glide is fairly durable too, but the stock weight is over 35 pounds for the 14.

 


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