Author Topic: Suggestion for Sunova, get rid of the LIFTSUP handle. (Read 43920 times)

robon · « **Reply #90 on:** November 19, 2016, 08:40:19 AM »

Quote from: baddog on November 18, 2016, 10:05:52 AM

Quote from: robon on November 06, 2016, 01:12:08 PM
I shoulder carry...

It's alright to have a preference, and my preference is to not have the Liftsup. I simply don't like it...

Oddly, shoulder carrying is one thing that the LiftSUP excels in. The rigid plastic handle is the best for controlling your board on your shoulder, especially in windy conditions. You should luv it.

My one big grip is it doesn't drain when flipped over. Put some drain holes in it!

I've tried it more than once, and no, I shouldn't love it, and I don't. I found that your arm is in a flexed and raised position for an extended period, and not as much as the board is actually supported with your shoulder and arm when carrying a board with the liftsup in this manner. When I shoulder carry my board, my bicep/arm isn't raised as high or flexed like when you shoulder carry with a liftsup for an extended period. I have a friend with a 12'6" x 29" board that weighs 29 pounds with the liftsup, and he will start a long walk/shoulder carry, but I've watched him change positions on the way to the water. Carrying a 14 foot, 36 pound board this way in a flexed position for 5 minutes? No thanks. Works just fine for a short walk, and for taking your board off the roof, but I find it more awkward for longer walks to the water in a shoulder carry manner. Just my opinion. It's all good. You make do with what you got, and if you love your liftsup, then you love your liftsup.

Badger · « **Reply #91 on:** November 19, 2016, 10:58:58 AM »

Quote from: supthecreek on November 18, 2016, 08:00:17 PM

Agreed.... great job Badger... it looks stock!
and I'm glad to hear that the gloved hand fits. Pics of that please.

Here are some pics of my Xcel 3mm glove and Xcel 5mm lobster mitt in each handle. I think I have fairly normal sized hands.

I can't get the handle to come out of the board with either of these, but some have told me that they've been able to do it with 3mm gloves. It probably helps to have skinny fingers and/or maybe some gloves work better than others.

The 3mm glove fits into the LiftSup, but it's very cramped. It fits easily into the Blue Planet Sup Grip with enough room to wrap around it well.

The 5mm mitt can barely get my finger tips into the LiftSup and I can't really grip the handle properly. I can get most of the mitt into the Sup Grip handle, enough for my fingers to wrap around and get a good hold.

The last two pics shows that even my 7mm mitts will fit into the Sup Grip handle.

supthecreek · « **Reply #92 on:** November 19, 2016, 09:08:47 PM »

Good Pics Badger.... thanks for the look.

I get my LiftSUP handle to pop up (when I have gloves on) by sticking one finger straight, in then pulling it out quickly. The friction of the rubber "pops" the handle up, then I carry it with my last 3 fingers. The boards are light, so it's enough.

dns · « **Reply #93 on:** November 19, 2016, 09:36:38 PM »

So, this may be a little OT, but why do you guys wear those crazy heavy gloves? I haven't SUP'd in cold weather, but I WW kayaked in sub freezing temps for a decade or so and we never bothered with neoprene gloves. If you keep your core warm the hands would pretty much take care of themselves. Even in 0* water and - 2* air temps bare hands and pogies or leather palmed waterski gloves were plenty. And we were dipping out hands every stroke. Not like SUP where you stay in the air 95% of the time.

southwesterly · « **Reply #94 on:** November 19, 2016, 09:38:33 PM »

It’s funny how times have changed. I remember discussions on this very forum in 2008 or ’09 on wether or not handles were useful at all. Blane Chambers was a vocal avocet of handleless boards and he had a lot of supporters.

Obviously the pro handle side (myself included) ending up winning that argument. It’s good to see that the progression of better mousetraps is still going on with Blue Planet’s and DW’s leading the way.

Carry on (pun intended).

Badger · « **Reply #95 on:** November 19, 2016, 09:56:47 PM »

Quote from: dns on November 19, 2016, 09:36:38 PM

So, this may be a little OT, but why do you guys wear those crazy heavy gloves? I haven't SUP'd in cold weather, but I WW kayaked in sub freezing temps for a decade or so and we never bothered with neoprene gloves. If you keep your core warm the hands would pretty much take care of themselves. Even in 0* water and - 2* air temps bare hands and pogies or leather palmed waterski gloves were plenty. And we were dipping out hands every stroke. Not like SUP where you stay in the air 95% of the time.

Not everyone has the same type of core. Some people seem to have no trouble keeping their hands warm even when it's below freezing. Others like myself have poor blood flow to the extremities, especially the fingers and toes. My hands sometimes turn white and freeze even in summer.

I know some people who can go through the whole winter wearing just a 4/3 or 5/4 and 3mm boots and gloves. I'm already wearing my 6/5 hooded suit, 7mm boots and 5mm mitts. My hands can not tolerate neoprene gloves in air temps below 50 degrees. They just don't put out enough warmth, so I need to use mitts.

I can't get in and out of my wetsuit at the beach in the colder months like a lot of people. I would get cold and not be able to recover after putting on the suit. Also my 6/5 suit is a bitch to get on and off. So I have to put my suit on at home. When I get to the beach, I pour hot water down my neck and into my mitts and that usually gets my core temp up enough for a two or three hour session.

Area 10 · « **Reply #96 on:** November 19, 2016, 10:13:05 PM »

Reynaud Syndrome?

Badger · « **Reply #97 on:** November 19, 2016, 10:31:42 PM »

Quote from: supthecreek on November 19, 2016, 09:08:47 PM

Good Pics Badger.... thanks for the look.

I get my LiftSUP handle to pop up (when I have gloves on) by sticking one finger straight, in then pulling it out quickly. The friction of the rubber "pops" the handle up, then I carry it with my last 3 fingers. The boards are light, so it's enough.

My Xcel gloves don't seem to have enough friction to do it. My handle snaps into the slot pretty tight. I can get it out using my pinky but not consistently.

Badger · « **Reply #98 on:** November 19, 2016, 10:47:41 PM »

Quote from: Area 10 on November 19, 2016, 10:13:05 PM

Reynaud Syndrome?

Yeah, I think so.

Area 10 · « **Reply #99 on:** November 20, 2016, 02:03:57 AM »

Quote from: Badger on November 19, 2016, 10:47:41 PM

Quote from: Area 10 on November 19, 2016, 10:13:05 PM
Reynaud Syndrome?

Yeah, I think so.

Hard luck. A paddling buddy of mine has it. You are right to wear thick gloves, boots, whatever it takes. And I'm told that cutting down on caffeine is recommended too? You might want to see a doctor (if you haven't already) because it can occasionally be linked to other circulatory issues I think (but I am not a doctor).

baddog · « **Reply #100 on:** November 21, 2016, 07:34:26 AM »

Quote from: robon on November 19, 2016, 08:40:19 AM

Quote from: baddog on November 18, 2016, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: robon on November 06, 2016, 01:12:08 PM
I shoulder carry...

...shoulder carrying is one thing that the LiftSUP excels in.

I found that your arm is in a flexed and raised position for an extended period, and not as much as the board is actually supported with your shoulder and arm when carrying a board with the liftsup in this manner. When I shoulder carry my board, my bicep/arm isn't raised as high or flexed like when you shoulder carry with a liftsup for an extended period...

Just to be clear... When you speak of "shoulder carrying", are you actually carrying the board in the crook of you elbow, leaning on your shoulder, not actually carrying the board on top of your shoulder, correct? At least, that's what I am refering too.

robon · « **Reply #101 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:39:00 AM »

Pretty much, yes. It's very awkward to carry a large board (for me) with your hand still in the liftsup for a long distance on your shoulder. Especially if there is wind. You have a good hold of the board, but it's literally flapping all over the place up that high if you don't have the board supported the way I described earlier. When a board gets up to that 30 pound mark and is 12'6" and longer, it's just not to my liking to carry that way. The board is being supported by my arm, shoulder, and both hands when I shoulder carry, and that's with my paddle as well. It's not going anywhere.. I've carried the Boardworks Raven I & II 12'6" x 29 & 30", and the Great Bear models that all have the liftsup, so it's not just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is, because my experience won't always match up with what everyone else has experienced themselves.

This is getting tired regardless. If you like it, you like it, and if you don't, you don't. It's not an absolute deal breaker for most. Over it.

addapost · « **Reply #102 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:16:18 PM »

Quote from: dns on November 19, 2016, 09:36:38 PM

So, this may be a little OT, but why do you guys wear those crazy heavy gloves? I haven't SUP'd in cold weather, but I WW kayaked in sub freezing temps for a decade or so and we never bothered with neoprene gloves. If you keep your core warm the hands would pretty much take care of themselves. Even in 0* water and - 2* air temps bare hands and pogies or leather palmed waterski gloves were plenty. And we were dipping out hands every stroke. Not like SUP where you stay in the air 95% of the time.

WHAT??? Are you serious? 0 degree water? -2 degree air? No gloves? No disrespect but I think you are misremembering that part of your life. I'm saying that basically is not possible.

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Badger · « **Reply #103 on:** November 21, 2016, 02:56:43 PM »

I know ice fishermen who are out there in January cutting a hole in the ice in 20 below zero F temps and pulling the blocks out with their bare hands. If I tried that I would get instant frostbite. Then my hands would fall off.

dns · « **Reply #104 on:** November 28, 2016, 02:20:48 PM »

Quote from: addapost on November 21, 2016, 01:16:18 PM

Quote from: dns on November 19, 2016, 09:36:38 PM
So, this may be a little OT, but why do you guys wear those crazy heavy gloves? I haven't SUP'd in cold weather, but I WW kayaked in sub freezing temps for a decade or so and we never bothered with neoprene gloves. If you keep your core warm the hands would pretty much take care of themselves. Even in 0* water and - 2* air temps bare hands and pogies or leather palmed waterski gloves were plenty. And we were dipping out hands every stroke. Not like SUP where you stay in the air 95% of the time.
WHAT??? Are you serious? 0 degree water? -2 degree air? No gloves? No disrespect but I think you are misremembering that part of your life. I'm saying that basically is not possible.

Well, then you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You should also work on your reading comprehension. I said, "bare hands and pogies or leather palmed waterski gloves." They have a neoprene back and leather palms for good paddle feel.

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