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Sunova Speeed V's Starboard Hypernut

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Created by shi thouse > 9 months ago, 25 Jul 2016
shi thouse
WA, 1129 posts
25 Jul 2016 8:38PM
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G'day folks,
I am just looking at getting a new wave board and have fallen in love with these two boards but can't afford them both.

Although both quite different in design, it looks like they both suit similar conditions.

I am chasing a smallish board to suit mid to head high waves. I want a board that can make quick sections and turns well.

I am a heavy weight (107kg) rider of intermediate ability. Hoping to get on a board that is Tonka tuff and comes in at a reasonable price. I wouldn't go down the carbon path of the Starboard as I can not justify the $3k+ for that board but looking a spending around $2k.

Reviews on both boards a super-positive so it makes the choice hard.

I would appreciate any comparisons and experiences on both boards to help in my decision.

Many thanks!!

MickChard
VIC, 183 posts
25 Jul 2016 11:21PM
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Hi Shi i have both boards ..... I like the way they both surf ..... There both super tough as well and I'm harsh on em ..

I'm selling my HN but only because it gives my shoulders a work out ..

Also i like the wave count on the Speed it catches any thing.. & still rips hard and loose .. flys through sections and rails are thin as

The smaller HN s u need to be in closer to surfers I've found ..

Hope that helps

obijohn
123 posts
26 Jul 2016 2:50AM
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I own an 8'10" Speeed that I really enjoy, and recently tried an 8'0" Hypernut which at 133 L is about the same volume. I have to say that I was very disappointed in the Hypernut. It was very slow to paddle and the front really plowed water. I found it very hard to pull into waves that the Speeed would have easily glided into. The Hypernut was certainly stable, maybe slightly more than the Speeed, but that is not worth all the tradeoffs. I love the Speeed, and would not want to own a Hypernut. Just my opinion.

CAUTION
WA, 1097 posts
26 Jul 2016 8:52AM
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id say depends on what waves you surf.
I have tried the hypernut, smallish. look it rocks, but it is hard work and you need to be in and on the section, and cos it doesnt paddle very fast you cant be moving around to get onto a wave, its for waves that are sik and always break in one spot. i.e. down south reef breaks, or trigg point thru summer if it werent for the 1000 groms you will need to get around. Get it on the wave but and it is like a shortboard and super fast.
I would love a hypernut, they look sik and to be able to ride and fit a 6'10 or 7'2 in the car woudl be great, but have come to the reality they are not really a 1 board quiver for perth. could have fun at the beachies on it some days, or big days at say mettams or cott when really on (say 5 times a year) will get a run or down south trips or up north, but generally no.

I have not tried the speed but it seems that it paddles well, generates speed even on smaller or fatter waves to make the sections, plus the pulled in tail and narrowness allows it to handle larger succier waves. i think it is a different beast altogether. BUT havent tried. got to try n get a demo to see if it does what "they say"

Im interested in teh speeed, but also like the traditional shapes of the starboard pro's as allround boards.
have you tried something like a SB pro or smik ?

I must say boards fully depend on where you surf as a majority.
If i lived back in gero again id ride a totally different board to what i ride in perth. If i lived down south different again...
oh to have waves like that brazil vid i just watched...

ShireSUP
NSW, 982 posts
26 Jul 2016 12:01PM
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I tried the hypernut and bout the Speeed

Nuff said

Stand Up
WA, 73 posts
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26 Jul 2016 11:31AM
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Hi Shi,
Just landed - 2017 Starboard Hypernuts in the NEW STARLITE construction. Its a carbon innegra railed board priced at $1799. There's an 8'6" Demo in store with your name on it. Also a new 9'0" x 31.5" addition to the Hypernut range for the big fellas.
Stand Up Paddle Sports - Osborne Park.

exiled
362 posts
26 Jul 2016 1:32PM
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Stand Up said..
Hi Shi,
Just landed - 2017 Starboard Hypernuts in the NEW STARLITE construction. Its a carbon innegra railed board priced at $1799. There's an 8'6" Demo in store with your name on it. Also a new 9'0" x 31.5" addition to the Hypernut range for the big fellas.
Stand Up Paddle Sports - Osborne Park.



Pics!

BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
26 Jul 2016 3:38PM
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I SUP'd the Sunova Speeed and Flow in Maui last week. Throwing a spanner in the works, I'd go the Flow everytime, just an all round better choice for a "one board only" option.

Have to say I was very impressed with the quality of the Sunova.

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
26 Jul 2016 4:23PM
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Benkirk I ask what you liked more about the flow please as I have ridden the 8'6nut and the 8''10 speed ( preferred the speed ) but still like my allwave better just found the straight lines on both boards made it hard to really cut sharp turns I only got a few hours on both boards so may be just me maybe I needed to get on the fins more ? Anywho interested if that is the reason you would pick the flow cheers

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
26 Jul 2016 4:48PM
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I cannot comment on the SB Hypernut but I have spent some time on both SUNOVA's.
I normally ride the Speed 8'8 or 8'10 (depending on what I can get my hands on) but recently spent some time on the 8'7 Flow.
I am starting to really warm to the Flow and it is becoming clearer to me where these two boards sit.

The Flow with its curvier outline is more playful off the tail and can be turned with your back foot further from the tail. It is a really fun board in small waves and you want a 'short board feel'. I am yet to try it over shoulder high.
Coming from the Speed it takes a bit more effort to get it to paddle straight and catch waves. It will however be an easy transition if you are already coming from a traditional board outline.

The Speeed with its straighter entry and mid section catches anything and drives out of the turn like no other board I have tried. It is however more 'locked in' to the turn and takes a more conscious effort to step a bit further back to unlock it and free it up.
This boards literally 'squirts' out of turns. It is a little bit like carving a snowboard properly, you can exit the turn just as fast as you went into it. It is it is 'on rails'.
The straight rail entry does catch sometime when paddling in chop but the overall feeling is that it paddles straighter and easier than most boards its size.

My assessment so far these two boards:
Speed - great for the lazy, not so regular surfer who wants a board that catches anything and drives down the line. No effort to paddle. Step further back to loosen it up.
Flow - suits the more traditional surfer who is out there more regularly and loves the more playful feel of a board with a curvier outline and doesn't need the 'special juice' that the Speed has to offer.

shi thouse
WA, 1129 posts
26 Jul 2016 2:55PM
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Some great information here....thanks for all. It appears that the general consensus is pointing towards the Speeed.

Having said that,

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Hi Shi,
Just landed - 2017 Starboard Hypernuts in the NEW STARLITE construction. Its a carbon innegra railed board priced at $1799. There's an 8'6" Demo in store with your name on it. Also a new 9'0" x 31.5" addition to the Hypernut range for the big fellas.
Stand Up Paddle Sports - Osborne Park.



I will definitely pop into the shop and take the Nut out for a test run.

I have tried to google the new 2017 Starboards but haven't had any luck finding information. Would also be keen to know just what the new starlite constructon is all about. Obviously a lot cheaper than the carbon versions.

It sounds like the Hypernut lacks the paddle speed of the Sunova. Maybe this won't be as much of an issue given that I am looking at the 8'6 model.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
26 Jul 2016 5:05PM
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Stand Up said..
Hi Shi,
Just landed - 2017 Starboard Hypernuts in the NEW STARLITE construction. Its a carbon innegra railed board priced at $1799. There's an 8'6" Demo in store with your name on it. Also a new 9'0" x 31.5" addition to the Hypernut range for the big fellas.
Stand Up Paddle Sports - Osborne Park.




Pics!


No pics for a couple more weeks.

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
26 Jul 2016 5:47PM
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AA said..
I cannot comment on the SB Hypernut but I have spent some time on both SUNOVA's.
I normally ride the Speed 8'8 or 8'10 (depending on what I can get my hands on) but recently spent some time on the 8'7 Flow.
I am starting to really warm to the Flow and it is becoming clearer to me where these two boards sit.

The Flow with its curvier outline is more playful off the tail and can be turned with your back foot further from the tail. It is a really fun board in small waves and you want a 'short board feel'. I am yet to try it over shoulder high.
Coming from the Speed it takes a bit more effort to get it to paddle straight and catch waves. It will however be an easy transition if you are already coming from a traditional board outline.

The Speeed with its straighter entry and mid section catches anything and drives out of the turn like no other board I have tried. It is however more 'locked in' to the turn and takes a more conscious effort to step a bit further back to unlock it and free it up.
This boards literally 'squirts' out of turns. It is a little bit like carving a snowboard properly, you can exit the turn just as fast as you went into it. It is it is 'on rails'.
The straight rail entry does catch sometime when paddling in chop but the overall feeling is that it paddles straighter and easier than most boards its size.

My assessment so far these two boards:
Speed - great for the lazy, not so regular surfer who wants a board that catches anything and drives down the line. No effort to paddle. Step further back to loosen it up.
Flow - suits the more traditional surfer who is out there more regularly and loves the more playful feel of a board with a curvier outline and doesn't need the 'special juice' that the Speed has to offer.


Answerd that perfectly for me ! Thanks AA

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
26 Jul 2016 5:49PM
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one more thing house I found the nut harder to paddle back out then the speed didn't punch through waves as easy and didn't paddle as straight

mickyj
VIC, 82 posts
26 Jul 2016 7:26PM
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Stand Up said..
Hi Shi,
Just landed - 2017 Starboard Hypernuts in the NEW STARLITE construction. Its a carbon innegra railed board priced at $1799. There's an 8'6" Demo in store with your name on it. Also a new 9'0" x 31.5" addition to the Hypernut range for the big fellas.
Stand Up Paddle Sports - Osborne Park.


any info on litres for the 9 foot sb ?
cheers Mick

John1960
QLD, 49 posts
26 Jul 2016 8:21PM
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Hi shi, go the 8" 6 hypernut 2017 , I have seen one , and ordered the new wood version. They have changed the shape for 2017 on the 8' 6 . Looks awesome, great build quality and finish Can't go wrong mate.!

shi thouse
WA, 1129 posts
26 Jul 2016 8:09PM
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Hey John, can you tell me what changes they have made to the 2017 model and why you went for it?


steve35
26 posts
26 Jul 2016 8:38PM
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Im 105KG and love the 8'6 HN , paddles a lot better than the other sizes and gets into waves early, I normally surf beach brakes and have not had a problem getting the HN out back. Its fast and turns on a dime. My previous board was a 8'8 Naish x32 which now sits at home as the HN is my choice of board. Friends have other sups and have commented on the speed and flow of the board. I love it .
Ive not tried the sunova.

John1960
QLD, 49 posts
27 Jul 2016 8:23AM
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Hi Shi, the new 2017 8"6" has had the rails thined out , and Ltrs dropped to 133 from 140. They put there light core fins across the bottom range of sups also, it will carry riders from 65kg to 110 with ease. It is a big mans performance board. I also have a 2016 mana 10,

marco gribi
WA, 195 posts
27 Jul 2016 9:02AM
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Stand Up said..
Hi Shi,
Just landed - 2017 Starboard Hypernuts in the NEW STARLITE construction. Its a carbon innegra railed board priced at $1799. There's an 8'6" Demo in store with your name on it. Also a new 9'0" x 31.5" addition to the Hypernut range for the big fellas.
Stand Up Paddle Sports - Osborne Park.



any info on litres for the 9 foot sb ?
cheers Mick


Hi Mickyj,

The 9'0 x 31.5 HN is 145L and 3.9" thick, as yet they have not arrived in Oz so cannot comment on ride.


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shi thouse said..
Hey John, can you tell me what changes they have made to the 2017 model and why you went for it?




Hi Shi thouse,

As commented above the rails have been thinned out and the tail slightly pulled in. Also they seem to have improved glide as it feels the board has better entry onto a wave, for me at 80kg the board definitely turns better and is more responsive than the 2016 version.

Volume is actually 132L


Cheers,
Marco

BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
27 Jul 2016 11:25AM
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Benkirk I ask what you liked more about the flow please as I have ridden the 8'6nut and the 8''10 speed ( preferred the speed ) but still like my allwave better just found the straight lines on both boards made it hard to really cut sharp turns I only got a few hours on both boards so may be just me maybe I needed to get on the fins more ? Anywho interested if that is the reason you would pick the flow cheers


To set the scene, we hired both boards in Maui and rode them on everything from knee to shoulder high reef breaks (so nothing big). I usually ride an 8'10" Fanatic ProWave and weigh in at 95kgs. The main things I found with the Speeed were paddling out and popping over white water was harder (shoulders seemed to catch more and turn the board) and that when going down the wave quite vertically after a turn, the shoulders/flat nose caught on the chop of the wave and slowed the board down. Both boards were reasonably similar from a turning potential but I could get the Flow more vertical on turns.

I also hired a Fanatic Stubby waveboard and found that the nose on that would catch, and slow you down rather than a more traditional drawn out shape would cut through more smoothly. Quite hard to describe what I thought really, sorry.

MickMc
VIC, 452 posts
27 Jul 2016 12:30PM
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I've been surfing the 7'8 hypernut for the last month in small clean beach breaks. It's the most fun I've ever had on a small wave. You can rip it around on a dime, shoots like a bullet across the wall, easy to paddle out and so stable you can stand around perfectly relaxed between sets. Great little nose rider too. It's not the board for big long paddles out and won't catch a big fat wave like a longer board, but that's not what it's designed for. One thing I think that hasn't been mentioned here, and this applies to all the vanguard style shapes that I have surfed, is that although the short ones don't have glide for paddling out they catch waves easily and get on a plane really quickly.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
27 Jul 2016 2:33PM
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mickyj said..


Stand Up said..
Hi Shi,
Just landed - 2017 Starboard Hypernuts in the NEW STARLITE construction. Its a carbon innegra railed board priced at $1799. There's an 8'6" Demo in store with your name on it. Also a new 9'0" x 31.5" addition to the Hypernut range for the big fellas.
Stand Up Paddle Sports - Osborne Park.




any info on litres for the 9 foot sb ?
cheers Mick



Hi Mickyj,

The 9'0 x 31.5 HN is 145L and 3.9" thick, as yet they have not arrived in Oz so cannot comment on ride.




I'm pretty sure there's one on the rack in The ZU in Melbourne. It's not available to demo however, so I can't comment on ride either.

exiled
362 posts
27 Jul 2016 12:53PM
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9'0 Hypernut? Don't they have a 9'0 Nut? Seems a little ridiculous.

marco gribi
WA, 195 posts
27 Jul 2016 1:08PM
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9'0 Hypernut? Don't they have a 9'0 Nut? Seems a little ridiculous.


Hi Exiled,

Very different boards, I actually have the 9'0 Nut in my personal quiver and it is more a long board style of riding, very technical and you need to walk and trim it to get the most out of the shape. Possibly one of my most favorite boards for the break that I ride, it has excellent glide and entry onto a wave but with the tail of a Pro it turns incredibly well.

It's weird how people seem to be put off by the outline on the Nut (in Oz anyway) as it is one of the most popular boards we demo. However with the Hypernuts it does not seem to deter people from buying them.

Cheers,
Marco

gregc
VIC, 1298 posts
27 Jul 2016 5:32PM
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I'm selling my 8 ft HN, has been an awesome board, but I dropped some weight and I want to go narrower and less volume. I like the Sunova btw, but I am not convinced with the longevity of the handle.

johndg
WA, 206 posts
27 Jul 2016 3:41PM
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There is no problem with the handle that I have experienced. I have had Sunovas for 20 months and not found an issue. The handle is great for carrying and when you enter the water you need to make sure it is pushed in.

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
27 Jul 2016 6:11PM
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Krist said..
Benkirk I ask what you liked more about the flow please as I have ridden the 8'6nut and the 8''10 speed ( preferred the speed ) but still like my allwave better just found the straight lines on both boards made it hard to really cut sharp turns I only got a few hours on both boards so may be just me maybe I needed to get on the fins more ? Anywho interested if that is the reason you would pick the flow cheers



To set the scene, we hired both boards in Maui and rode them on everything from knee to shoulder high reef breaks (so nothing big). I usually ride an 8'10" Fanatic ProWave and weigh in at 95kgs. The main things I found with the Speeed were paddling out and popping over white water was harder (shoulders seemed to catch more and turn the board) and that when going down the wave quite vertically after a turn, the shoulders/flat nose caught on the chop of the wave and slowed the board down. Both boards were reasonably similar from a turning potential but I could get the Flow more vertical on turns.

I also hired a Fanatic Stubby waveboard and found that the nose on that would catch, and slow you down rather than a more traditional drawn out shape would cut through more smoothly. Quite hard to describe what I thought really, sorry.


Perfect thanks BenKirk , pretty much the same feel I got on the speeed

colas
4986 posts
27 Jul 2016 4:59PM
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Krist said..
on both boards made it hard to really cut sharp turns



when going down the wave quite vertically after a turn, the shoulders/flat nose caught on the chop of the wave


What were the length of the boards?
The Tomo designs should be ridden much shorter than a normal board, the idea is to remove the nose, not have more of it...
It sound like you used boards that were much too long for this kind of shapes... Alas, most SUP shapers make their production "Tomo" much too long...

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
27 Jul 2016 11:29PM
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exiled said..
9'0 Hypernut? Don't they have a 9'0 Nut? Seems a little ridiculous.



Hi Exiled,

Very different boards, I actually have the 9'0 Nut in my personal quiver and it is more a long board style of riding, very technical and you need to walk and trim it to get the most out of the shape. Possibly one of my most favorite boards for the break that I ride, it has excellent glide and entry onto a wave but with the tail of a Pro it turns incredibly well.

It's weird how people seem to be put off by the outline on the Nut (in Oz anyway) as it is one of the most popular boards we demo. However with the Hypernuts it does not seem to deter people from buying them.

Cheers,
Marco


Yes I agree, the Nut is an excellent shape but very different to the Hypernut. I got the 9'5" Nut last year and I am getting something brand new along those lines very soon. Can't wait.

exiled
362 posts
28 Jul 2016 1:29AM
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The Tomo designs should be ridden much shorter than a normal board, the idea is to remove the nose, not have more of it...

Alas, most SUP shapers make their production "Tomo" much too long...



colas has the heart of what I was thinking. I get that the nut and hypernut are very different shapes. I'm just scratching my head about having one that is as long as a longboard with 145L of volume. I feel like you don't really get the performance you should out of that kind of shape if you are surfing it so oversized.



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