to be honest binnsy i woulndt bother i walked into the factory and had a set made for me there and then they were cosmetic seconds which made no difference to the paddle but a big difference to the price i bought them for 250 but i think pristine ones are about 350 or more ...they looked the bussiness but i just couldnt get used to them they just didnt feel right i had a set of kinetic straights before and loved them but the crank just didn feel right hard to explain but just not right i gave my mates who all paddle with various types of cranks a blast out of them and they all felt the same about them they also told me they are inclined to break in the middle they are weak there so i flogged them on and bought myself a set of h2o2s which i think are great ........so in summary its up to yourself really but my exsperience with them wasnt good considering the price they are you would do well to pick up a set of werners or something else for that price... hope this helps.....damo